Posted on 10/23/2011 9:28:35 PM PDT by Kevmo
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1075
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Fingers crossed and hoping...but still skeptical.
Waiting for test results with great interest. This is how every new technology begins, and the data will speak for itself, as the testing gets underway.
Save the ridicule for Algore.
As usual, I like what Jed Rothwell has to say on Vortex-L
[Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.
Joe Catania
Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:55:24 -0700
Physics is natural science.
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From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.
That’s excellent news. Very open of Rossi. Entirely reasonable.
We complain about Rossi’s habits, but you have give him credit for allowing a
lot of access to this tests, and for giving out a great deal of information.
The problem is not that he is unwilling to share data. It is that his tests do
not produce good data, and he does not write scientific papers.
People have said that Rossi is a liar, or he exaggerates, or he cannot be
trusted. As I see it, he has a split personality. When he talks about business
or personal matters, I think he gets excited and he blurts out nonsense. I
don’t take this nonsense seriously. He scapegoats people — including me. He
can be devious, sometimes planting misinformation to cause dissension. I know
he does that, because he did it to me several times.
However, when it comes to engineering-based technical claims, as far as I
know, Rossi is the soul of honestly. He has often made astounding claims that
seem utterly impossible. As far as I know, all the ones that have been put to
the test turned out to be true. I do not know about that factory heater that
ran for a year. Cousin Peter says he cannot believe it. I can’t be sure it is
real, but I am sure it is unwise to bet against Rossi.
I do not think there is a shred of evidence that Rossi has ever tried to use
a hidden source of energy, fake instruments, or any other kind of fraud. It
would be much harder to do this with his cells and reactors than with any
previous cold fusion devices, because the scale of the reaction is so much
larger. He is careless with instruments, and sloppy, and this sometimes
obscures the results. That is not a deliberate effort to hide results or escape
from scrutiny. It is what it appears to be: sloppy. Lots of people are like
that. Some geniuses such are Arata are like that. Many programmers write
unstructured spaghetti code too. It is not because they are devious or they
want to sabotage the project or infuriate their co-workers. It is because they
are sloppy. They should be promoted to management where they will cause less
harm.
Many engineers and inventors have this kind of split personality. Edison is a
famous example. He was a “sharp dealer” as they said in the 19th century. Sharp
dealing — cheating, breaking contracts, and taking unfair advantage — was
widespread and considered normal back then. He put on Dog and Pony show
exhibits of his inventions. When investors asked him how much progress he was
making, he lied so extravagantly, it would have embarrassed a data processing
project manager circa 1972, when computer programming was at the lowest ebb of
reliability and projects routinely went off the rails. Edison did all of that,
but he would never lie to himself, to his coworkers, or in a serious technical
discussion. He did not have it in him to lie. Most engineers and programmers do
not. It would be analogous to a farmer who neglects to plant seeds and then
expects a crop to grow. Every technician in history has known that you cannot
fool Mother Nature.
I cannot judge Rossi’s assertions about theory or transmutations.
Theoreticians tell me they are bunk. I suppose they are, but Rossi is unaware
of that. They are not lies.
I have also learned to believe everything Rossi says about his operational
plans. When he said he was building a 1 MW reactor, I believed him. He says he
will try to turn it on. I have no doubt he means it. I just hope he does not
blow himself up, or get arrested for operating it without a license. I hope
that someone dissuades him but I doubt anyone will. If he changes his mind at
the last minute, I would never accuse him of lying. A person who does cutting
edge research who does not frequently change his mind, his plans, and his
entire approach will fail catastrophically. Flexibility is essential to that
job, as it is to a general fighting a battle. As Eisenhower said, “no battle
plan survives contact with the enemy.” You have to respond to things as they
are, not as you hoped they would be. I wish Rossi would change course more
often, not less often.
I think Rossi is careless with instruments because he is old fashioned and he
agrees with Fleischmann and me that direct observation is the best science. It
is better than proof by instruments and calculation. He does not bother to
write down the thermocouple readings, or insert an SD card, because he thinks
that the heat continuing for 4 hours is all the proof anyone can ask for.
Worrying about the thermocouples when you have a reactor too hot to touch is
ridiculous. It is useless nitpicking in the face of definitive, first-principle
proof that you can literally feel with your hand. The instruments are the icing
on the cake; the real proof in Rossi’s best work is visual and tactile
observation. That is what Rossi told Lewan and me.
Peter Heckert calls this “junk science.” We think this is still the best way
to do science, as it has been for all of human history. Natural science is the
queen of sciences — physics is not! In natural science and much of biology
even today visual observations still rule. People look at animals, plants,
rocks and weather. They smell and touch. Newton may have been greatest
scientist, but Darwin was a close second, and he never used an instrument or a
mathematical formula. All of his work was based on field observation and
dissection, followed by analysis. As Francis Bacon said, “we are not to deny
the authority of the human senses and understanding, although weak; but rather
to furnish them with assistance.”
- Jed
I am sure what ever is posted will be nothing but the positive reaffirmation of everyone’s belief that Rossi is the greatest scientist of all time and will soon be richer than Bill Gates.
The very fact that you posted this here as if this was going to be an impartial report of the results exposes this as a fraud.
Why do you continue to post this as news?
And why do you continue to read threads from posters that you know you disagree with?
Fraud or not, time will tell.
Why don’t you just let it play out?
Why don’t you post your spittle on the parallel seagull thread started by count-your-change?
For E-Cat Test, Oct. 28 Comes Early
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2796983/posts
Even if Rossi is sitting on a potential gold mine, this doesn’t mean he is possessed of the savvy to tap it for all it’s truly worth. If he’s anything like Kevmo, he’s out in la la land about all the practical things that might be done with his alleged reactor.
When did Rossi become a "Dr"?
Kevmo says Rossi sucks at demos. I don't know why he would be any better with a customer product.
Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.
Axil Axil
Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:10:32 -0700
I am currently of the opinion that all the resistance to accepting the
possibility of cold fusion is irrational on the part of many. This
irrational way of thinking, the reluctance to accept new things, and he
emotional disruption of the judgment process may be rooted in the fact that
cold fusion is based primarily on the weirdness of quantum mechanics being
far removed from everyday life.
Having been faced with this clear and growing resistance to cold fusion,
early on, Rossi decided that a logical scientific argument was not the best
way to present cold fusion to the world.
Rossi instinctively recognized that the most powerful motivator of human
nature whether that nature is being expressed in terms of business,
government or simply the guy on the street is competition.
If an innovative business can use cold fusion to gain a decisive edge on its
competition, all other business must follow its lead or eventually face
bankruptcy; no matter what the religious, scientific, ideological, or
strategic position of those other companies might be.
The same is true for national governments. If one nation gains through the
adoption of cold fusion a decisive competitive global economic and military
advantage over all others, all these other national governments must
eventually follow along the same path of this early adopter or eventually
lose out to the demands of global competition.
For example, even if lowly starving North Korea or bankrupt Greece first
adopts cold fusion to generate power, it will eventually force the
all-powerful US government to incentivize the adoption of cold fusion no
matter how the Nuclear Regulatory Commission decides to disrupt cold fusion
initiative based on the traditional fear of possible military or radiation
dangers that this disruptive technology might imply.
If a nuclear scientist has spent his whole life studying the intricate and
obscure ways of the fission process of the light water reactor or the hot
fusion process of the tokomak, no matter how distasteful, that person must
eventually come over to the new cold fusion theory of the Rossi reactor
because that is where all the work will be...or he can retire.
When one analyzes the Rossi thought process, one must weigh in heavily the
primacy of competition as a means and a method in the Rossi commercial and
engineering strategy.
Like the tiniest of sparks struck in a tinder dry forest, a conflagration of
the old naysayer doctrinaire will once started be irresistible and
unstoppable.
He’d do better (financially) to license it out to some established laboratory.
But the world’s curiosity is getting piqued by this point. If it’s real, someone is probably going to recreate it from scratch, and probably pretty soon.
Why don’t you post your effluent on the parallel seagull thread started by count-your-change?
For E-Cat Test, Oct. 28 Comes Early
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2796983/posts
What did happen? That’s a reasonable question with possible reasonable answers, such as a school giving him an honorary doctorate.
But asking about it isn’t seagulling.
How many products have YOU developed, MrMoon?
What have you ever invented?
You don’t have any idea what you are talking about.
Even if Rossi is sitting on a potential gold mine, this doesn’t mean he is possessed of the savvy to tap it for all it’s truly worth.
***As usual, I like what Jed Rothwell has to say about this type of thing. I think your insult was misplaced — you’re the one in la la land if you think the first application should be to replace gun powder.
Even if Rossi is sitting on a potential gold mine, this doesn’t mean he is possessed of the savvy to tap it for all it’s truly worth.
Even a cat can look at a king.
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