Posted on 10/17/2011 6:38:46 PM PDT by smoothsailing
First, we don’t shoot alleged criminals on the street just for running away. ON the rare occasions that happens, there are big investigations and recriminations.
I never said there wasn’t armed incursions, and I’ve said we have a right to shoot people who shoot at us. So that’s no argument we are having on that point.
The argument about the border wasn’t really one about whether we could shoot someone who resisted arrest and ran away, it was whether we should shoot them on sight, which came out of the “kill them if they touch our fence” argument. But for the record, I’ll say that without evidence of violent actions, we can’t just shoot people we think crossed our border illegally, or even that we know did that. It’s simply not an acceptable practice in the civilized world we live in, we are part of that society and wish the same protections for our citizens in other countries.
There are NO nationalities which should be “allowed” to enter illegally. The question isn’t whether we should allow illegals in, it was whether we could kill them if they are in. I want to deport them, but not kill them. Unless they are committing a violent act, and we need to kill them to stop it.
I want secure borders. I want to stop the flow of illegals. I just don’t want to kill them. I don’t know why that is so hard to understand, I am pro-life, and am opposed to the wanton and frivolous taking of life, whether it be a mother who doesn’t want her child, or an American who doesn’t want to compete with an illegal immigrant for a job.
you just wish Perry were still viable....
Too bad.
That’s right. He didn’t apologize for his statement, he apologized if anyone found it offensive. He means business and he means to enforce the laws.
“Now, BobL, you weren’t the one saying that we should kill illegals. My argument with you was that you were calling your own candidate a liar, and I don’t think he’s a liar so I was defending him against your smear.”
Cain is QUITE WELL without support from the Open Borders people, so I don’t think your assistance is all that needed.
“That sure looks like he was joking.”
Looks to me that Cain’s ‘heart’ has ALWAYS been in the right place.
Sorry to burst your open-borders bubble...
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20121695-503544.html
I only ask that border enforcement be done in a civilized manner. We are not Iran for God’s sake.
True. It's not like Clinton or Reno or Weiner, who actually did something wrong and weaseled their non-apologies. What do you do if you say something true and necessary, and folks pretend to be offended? "Pretend" to apologize, I guess. In the cases of the Pope and Cain, I think that was the appropriate response. In charity, you don't will that anyone be upset, but that may be the effect. You're obligated to stand by the comment. The Pope told the truth about Islam at Regensburg. Cain was telling the truth about what's needed at the border. Those who want to destroy the West, and those who are timorous and influenced by them, can't take it. But that's their problem. For many, your clarity will help them figure out that you're telling the simple and necessary truth.
Its not because Cain is not a politician. Its what he has to do to prove he's not a politician that raises red flags for me. Call it, the Perot factor. Charts and graphs versus songs and prayers, with a bunch of speechifying thrown in for good measure. It would be great if Cain had a governing or a legislative record with which to grade him on. Other than just his rhetoric which only goes so far. Right now there is nothing of substance to Herman Cain. Some people are thrilled with a candidate who has no record and no substance.
Mitt's answer which was booed was that he said we were not ready for gays in the military -- yet. It wasn't the fact that he was asked that question. It was the fact that he believed a day would come when gays should be allowed to serve in the military.
Cooper: Governor Romney, you said in 1994 that you looked forward to the day when gays and lesbians could serve, and I quote, "openly and honestly in our nation's military." Do you stand by that?Romney: This isn't that time. This is not that time. We're in the middle of a war. The people who have...
Cooper: Do you look forward to that time, though, one day?
Romney: I'm going to listen to the people who run the military to see what the circumstances are like. And my view is that, at this stage, this is not the time for us to make that kind of...
Cooper: Is that a change in your position...
Romney: Yes, I didn't think it would work. I didn't think "don't ask/don't tell" would work. That was my -- I didn't think that would work. I thought that was a policy, when I heard about it, I laughed. I said that doesn't make any sense to me.
And you know what? It's been there now for, what, 15 years? It seems to have worked.
Cooper: So, just so I'm clear, at this point, do you still look forward to a day when gays can serve openly in the military or no longer?
Romney: I look forward to hearing from the military exactly what they believe is the right way to have the right kind of cohesion and support in our troops and I listen to what they have to say.
(Audience booing)
Cooper: All right. General Kerr is -- as I said -- is here.
You can see the transcript is very clear when your buddy Romney got booed. It was not Cooper’s question, it was RINO Romney’s answer that got booed. Here is the link:
You were shilling from a RINO viewpoint then and you are shilling from a RINO viewpoint now. You were wrong then and you are still wrong four years after I showed you the truth. What is it with liberals that they refuse to see the truth right in front of their faces? Conservatives will never go for liberal ideas, whether it be ruining our military, picking our pockets to redistribute, or coddling illegals for whatever reason. Liberals lack the simplest understanding of conservatives and their principles.
Four years later on Free Republic and you still don't understand.
I want a viable alternative to Obama, that’s all that really matters.
Cain is sharp. :)
Like the little cowboy and his VD vaccine?
Got it!
as for myself, I don’t agree with Cain on a lot of things either.
But I do like the fact he’s a non-politician. A real businessman who took over troubled businesses and turned them around (as opposed to a corporate raider).
So if the country is like a business, it’s currently troubled and in need of a turnaround.
I don’t like the fact he was with the Fed. But I heard his answer on that — that the Fed we have today is not the way the Fed acted in the 90’s. It’s a true statement, but the Fed is the Fed. I don’t trust them for anything.
Romney and Perry battled it out tonight (at the debate) and I don’t think it looks good to go negative at debates in this phase.
CNN planted the trap, and they took the bait.
“Yes, he said repeatedly he would kill them.”
Back when Ronald Reagan was President he once said “the bombing starts in five minutes”.
Liberals jumped on that and accused Reagan of wanting to start a war with the Soviet Union.
In 1995 Rush Limbaugh defended Republican budget cuts by saying that if his mother was reduced to eating dog food he’d buy her a new can opener.
Rep. Patsy Schroeder used his comments on the House floor as proof of the extreme selfishness of Republicans.
It’s not like there isn’t a history of hyperbolic statements being exploited by critics. But it usually makes the critics look like deceitful fools rather than damaging their intended target.
“It’s not like there isn’t a history of hyperbolic statements being exploited by critics. But it usually makes the critics look like deceitful fools rather than damaging their intended target.”
I certainly agree. I remember both examples - Rush was hysterical.
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