Posted on 10/14/2011 7:24:54 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
It seems Romney can’t win against Obama because he epitomizes corporate wealth, many conservatives will stay home, his religion will be used against him and then there is the whole Romneycare issue. By contrast, the Cain story is the American story of one man doing it on his own, despite the odds against him. I guess the future can play out in various scenarios and we will just have to see.
I don’t think anyone here at FR that are really conservatives would vote for Romney. I think ALL conservatives who value any of our conservative candidates would want to be looking at what might keep one of the conservative candidates from beating Romney so they could overcome whatever traditional traps the bigger GOP party sets to keep a conservative out. It is a matter of discernment, discussion, debate, and decisions to handle obstacles to keep Romney OUT of the realm of possibility as our candidate! Don’t put your heads in the sand and just think it will all be OK. We are dealing with professional people who are out to get Romney nominated. Start looking at what could happen and then DEAL with it to get a conservative as our nominee for once!
I like what one of the posters earlier on this thread wrote, a very insightful look at the date changes of the states and how that might affect the traditional route to getting a nominee. If you read that, it provides one possible way of keeping Romney from the nomination.
I’m sure there are other ways too, and conservatives should discover those others way and work towards those things that help a conservative actually win for once.
Don’t just read here on FR and get excited about polling numbers. Be aware of anything else possible too which would keep Romney from slipping through our fingers to get the nomination. It seems that is possible if we are not aware of things and do things to change that.
Know the obstacles first though. You can’t deal with a problem if you won’t look your problems in the eye.
Do vote! Don't give up on that, and we are blessed to have that ability to vote for people we chose in this country and actually have the chance to make choices based on the people and not on the government or parties.
Just don't stop there. Voting is probably the last step in many cases, the first steps being looking at the situation and seeing what you need to do to make your vote count as best it can, and that goes for Cain supporters, Perry supporters, Newt supporters, Santorum supporters, or any other supporter of any other conservative candidate.
My head isn’t in the sand. What I am sick of are those on here who are just throwing up their hands and saying Romney will win anyway or we will have to vote for Romney to beat Obama.
That just isn’t the case. I am fully aware the GOP establishment and the MSM want Romney. I am also more aware than most of exactly why the MSM wants Romney an how they will attack him if he gets the nod. A Romney nomination WILL MEAN 4 more years of Obama and the death of the GOP.
I am also privy to some info (through a good friend) about some of the source of Romney’s money and it is violating several finance laws and it will come back to bite him.
It is time to overthrow the GOP establishment and that is by each of us, at a grassroots level, convincing others to not believe the MSM and vote for Romney because they say he’s the winner already.
So far, this last week, I have gotten 11 people away from Romney. What have you done?
And I will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER vote for Romney. If (God forbid) he gets the GOP nomination, I AM OUT OF THE GOP because they no longer represent me.
I've been investigating people and events and giving information to credible outlets on Romney's illegal PAC activities. That's what.
I've been investigating people and events and giving information to credible outlets on Romney's illegal PAC activities. That's what.
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PS, How do you think your credible friends know some of those things anyway?
Sorry.. should have used the sarcasm tag.
Regular folk don't even know who Cain is, and that's why they think our candidate will be Romney — he has over 80% name recognition. That's all your poll shows, is that Romney has name recognition at the moment. But once people know who Cain is, many of them like him. So his support can only go up. Romney's support is at or close to his peak because people already know him. My in-laws said they were probably going to vote for Romney, now that Christie declined to run. That's because they know who Romney is, and they don't know who Cain is.
This race hasn't even really started. When the low-polling candidates start dropping out, their support gets spread around. There is still about 30% of the vote that is sitting in the Perry, Bachmann, Gingrich camp, plus the undecideds. When the trailing candidates drop out, who do those votes go to? Romney? or Cain?
We also have yet to see the big endorsements coming in. When the endorsements start landing, huge chunks of fence-sitting voters will start picking sides.
Lastly, Cain thinks he can get 30% of the black vote. That's not going to happen for Romney.
Bottom line: Stop doing the bidding of the liberal media. Don't roll over and play dead just because “they” say Romney is the candidate. The voting hasn't even started yet, much less finished.
I won’t stay at home, I’m going different party and changing my registration as well.
If we lose this election to Obama, it is the GOP elitists fault, this is their election to lose.
FWIW, Mitt’s religion IS an issue for me, I know way to much about it to ever vote for one and I know how it would affect him as POTUS.
“When Salt Lake City Calls” by Rocky Hulse is a great read as to why it is a real issue. Add to that, the MSM will attack Romney on it, because they can’t attack him on his liberal policies.
See what I mean? You still believe it. And enough will believe it when these same groups get to work on Cain. And once his numbers get low enough he’ll drop out and another GHWB (Read my lips) or BC (Slick Willy) will get elected.
Me? I will not choose from only one party.
Don’t just read here on FR and get excited about polling numbers.
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Show me a post where I ever get excited about poll numbers.
Good for you. Have you been investigating the campaign donations from companies who exist only to give money to Romney and where their loyalties lie?
There is money laundering going on and quite a few violations of non-profit status as well.
PS, How do you think your credible friends know some of those things anyway?
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First hand experience, not ‘outlets’ that is how.
You vote for the candidate you want to win. It’s the only poll that matters. People may see Romney winning because they don’t trust the GOP and feel the election is rigged.
“I imagine most of the people that were waiting on Sarah Palin have now gone to Herman Cain.”
The vast majority that I know have, myself included. Some are Newt fans, but I have only seen a couple that dismiss Cain out of hand.
Add to Cain’s totals the 90% plus of Santorum/Newt/Bachmann supporters he’ll get when they call it quits and Herman has quite the solid backing going up against Romney. Then add in the number of Perry supporters that will not vote Romney.
Looking good for Cain. The money/GOP can spend themselves into poverty over the next months. Let the MSM invent all the reality they want us to believe. They cannot buy those votes for Mittens and the GOP cannot nominate him without them.
That leaves one guy, assuming he doesn’t choke.
>>As Cain’s poll numbers keep surging up, the perception that he can’t win will disappear, I didn’t think Cain could win a week ago either, now I think actually think he could wipe the floor with Romney.<<
Exactly. Things are changing fast. As little as three weeks ago I asked a Republican voter what he thought of Herman Cain. He didn’t even know who I was talking about.
Still, Intrade has Romney increasing his standing to 67%, a new high, probably because Perry was viewed as his main challenger, and has now dropped back. Cain has been at 9% for a while now. I suppose you can’t rule out the possibility that Romney’s put some money on himself at Intrade, but assuming it’s an honest market, it’s a good way to snap oneself back to reality.
Cain is making good progress, but he’s got a long ways to go. First, he needs to hang in there until the first primaries...then we’ll see.
I was speaking to all conservatives in general, not just you. You only got the ‘reply’ button because you said something that related.
A lot of people read here and do not post. Perhaps many of those who read but do not post are doing things to get conservatives elected, and some may not be able to do much but want a conservative elected, whoever that conservative might be. To some out there who just read, they may not even CARE which conservative get the nomination, one specific one over another, just so long as one of the “good guys” wins! :)
This thread was about polling, and I provided another poll that seemed to indicate we still have work to do. Please accept my apologies if I, in any way, indicated that you are guilty of getting excited over any specific thing. I do encourage you to either keep steadfast on doing things that help the conservative movement or to step up if you are not doing all you think you can. I don’t know your situation, but we all could stand on a reminder that we just shouldn’t sit back and watch poll numbers. (And that’s for everyone too.)
Oh and one more for the record, since you asked what I’ve done... Besides investigating Romney’s illegal superpac activities and making sure that info was getting to credible outlets.... no, let me say “reliable” people who are credible, let me also tell you I was busy getting similar info to help us during 2007 to 2010 as well. Unfortunately some of those “credible” outlets were not as “reliable” as one would have hoped, and I was not able to make the difference I had hoped to make, but some of you are at least aware of some things because I worked really hard for the “good guys”, and I did all I could as an individual. Oh, and just for the record... I did all I did, and endured what I did and still could, NOT for any amount of money but as a citizen who cared about my country and did not want to see what has happened during these last few years.
And if you were able to move 11 people from Romney to another conservative candidate, then you did something good too.
My posts here, even my first one on this thread, was not for any specific candidate. I never mentioned a candidate and left the conversation wide open for ANY supporter of ANY conservative candidate to join in and think about how to win as a conservative. It was an invitation for folk to just think and talk. I do that from time to time... just talk with other conservatives and hopefully sometimes get an intelligent and thoughtful conversation going with someone or some others here, a conversation about winning, what to do, what we should or could be considering. I’m sorry that I’m not as much able to do that because of the primary stress everyone is feeling these days, but I still think it is worthwhile to try.
So please accept my apologies if I sounded as if you were or were not just looking at polls. As I said, I did not mean you specifically but was talking to you in generalities. I don’t believe I showed hostility to you, but if you took it as such, then please forgive what I did to make what I said come off as anything other than a common battle cry for conservatives.
Other than that, I believe that whatever place we are at right now as conservatives, we’ll be together somehow in the next few months, and when that happens, I don’t want to lose what we have to Romney when we don’t HAVE to this time around.
Romney at nearly 70%
and Cain at only 9ish?
lol
Romney shouldn't be any higher than 30% and Cain should be at least 20%.
I don’t think that wondering if a percentage of MR’s ‘fundraising’ is being spent there is out of bounds. Occam’s Razor and all that....
Something THAT outta whack smells pretty foul.
Yes, I know the one I think you are speaking of specifically but looking at other not-so-obvious business connections, individuals, and a secular business organization that might connect a lot more than one might think.
The one ordeal I believe you speak of, if I am referring to what you mentioned, was actually written about online this past August, but for some reason never got much attention from anyone.
That’s a starting point at least.
You can find out about that one illegal incident you referenced online yourself. Do a search on W. Spann LLC. Just realize I think that is only the tip of an iceberg of other information.
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