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Norquist: 9-9-9 Isn't a Tax Hike. But...
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| Oct. 12, 2011
| David Weigel
Posted on 10/12/2011 7:03:13 PM PDT by LonelyCon
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This is my only problem with Cain right now. I do not like the idea of a national sales tax at all.
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posted on
10/12/2011 7:03:18 PM PDT
by
LonelyCon
To: LonelyCon
Are you worried about how it effects you personally, or the country generally?
To: Repeal The 17th
I would gladly pay a 9% GST in exchange for a MTR of 9%.
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posted on
10/12/2011 7:09:12 PM PDT
by
Perdogg
(I will support any Republican candidate against 0bama in 2012)
To: LonelyCon
You can buy used stuff and save a ton!
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posted on
10/12/2011 7:12:05 PM PDT
by
refermech
To: LonelyCon
I’d like to see the calculation behind the “33% less valuable” claim. Either way, seniors, you’re gonna have to re-equilibrate your perspective. Medicare and SS are destroying the country. They must be reformed.
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posted on
10/12/2011 7:12:05 PM PDT
by
Flightdeck
(If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
To: Repeal The 17th
For the country generally. It’s all too easy to raise a sales tax. If you raise people’s income tax, they see a giant change on April 15 and they get pissed. But if you just raise the sales tax a half a percent or so every couple of years, no one cares. “Just a few pennies or dollars more on every little purchase, what’s the big deal, right?”, most people think if they notice the change at all.
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posted on
10/12/2011 7:14:29 PM PDT
by
LonelyCon
To: refermech
You can buy used stuff and save a ton!
What a great idea for creating jobs! Why hasn't any candidate run with your slogan?
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posted on
10/12/2011 7:17:26 PM PDT
by
LonelyCon
To: LonelyCon
The sales tax in Texas now is about 400% of what they swore it would never go above to when it was instituted.
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posted on
10/12/2011 7:19:54 PM PDT
by
D-fendr
(Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
To: LonelyCon
I suppose if congress included in the bill to require a 3/4 majority to raise the tax and a simple majority to lower the tax that you would still oppose?
To: LonelyCon
All these “older tax payers” are sickening in how they feel that they should have nothing cut or made more difficult on them since they’ve been paying taxes all there life. I’m in my mid twenties and have been paying medicare and social security taxes for 9 years. I’ll never see a penny of that money and its all going to fund these liabilities.
Privatize social security, eliminate Medicare. Implement Cain’s plan!
To: LonelyCon
Why not put out some projections of taxes paid now against what Cain is proposing at various incomes and let the voters have a look?
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posted on
10/12/2011 7:30:01 PM PDT
by
reefdiver
("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
To: Repeal The 17th
I suppose if congress included in the bill to require a 3/4 majority to raise the tax and a simple majority to lower the tax that you would still oppose?
That's a procedural impossibility. One Congress cannot restrict the actions of a future Congress. All a future Congress would have to do to raise taxes would be to, by simple majority, repeal the 3/4 requirement and then, by simple majority, raise the tax. The only way to restrict the action of Congress is by constitutional amendment.
To: LonelyCon
I am also of the belief that a national sales tax would require a constitutional amendment.
To: Repeal The 17th
I am also of the belief that a national sales tax would require a constitutional amendment.I'd want the 9-9-9 to be in the constitution to prevent it from becoming 12-12-12. After the next Republican president, the pendulum will shift back to the Dems at some point.
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posted on
10/12/2011 7:43:34 PM PDT
by
aimhigh
To: aimhigh
I'd want the 9-9-9 to be in the constitution to prevent it from becoming 12-12-12.
And that is a recipe for absolute disaster. When WWIII breaks out and the government needs money to build ships and buy bullets and whatever else, do you really want to wait on a constitutional amendment to raise taxes to pay for the war? What if some of the state legislatures are filled with appeasers and refuse to vote for a tax increase because they know they can stop the war that way. Sorry, but I think that's a really dumb idea.
To: refermech
I’ve been buying used stuff and saving a ton for years...but some people are too brainwashed into “needing” new stuff to try it for themselves. I do believe that I will still need to purchase new toilet paper, though...a tradeoff I am willing to make in exchange for having much more take home pay with which to purchase it.
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posted on
10/12/2011 7:59:11 PM PDT
by
stefanbatory
(Insert witty tagline here)
To: LonelyCon
Pardon my ignorance because i haven’t read up on 9-9-9 but is the 9% national sales tax in ADDITION to state sales tax? or does it replace it?
To: refermech
You can buy used stuff and save a ton!The price of used stuff will go up. Have you tried to buy a used car lately?
To: LonelyCon
What's the benefit to me if you bring on a sales tax? Thanks -- you've just made every retired person's pension 33 percent less valuable." Okay so we drop the sales tax, and settle on 9-9, abolish social security and medicare. :-)
To: LonelyCon
Simple - you put 9-9-9 in the Constitution but include a provision that says it can be temporarily raised in times of national emergency by a 2/3 or 3/4 vote of both houses of Congress.
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posted on
10/12/2011 8:02:58 PM PDT
by
RightFighter
(It was all for nothing.)
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