Posted on 10/12/2011 11:27:49 AM PDT by Dr. White
Acting Deputy Solicitor General Leondra Kruger told the court, during oral arguments, that the federal government should be able to trump the church on these decisions.
What is at stake is the First Amendment and the religious freedom of all Americans.
If the Obamanation gets another term, they will make at least a couple of Supreme Court appointments. If that happens, we will have passed the point of no return.
Hey, any “separation of church and state liberals” want to chime in?
*Crickets*
German Churches and the Nazi State
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005206
Worshipping Almighty God is considered noxious to Iman hussein Soetero, son of Perdition!
I’m and old geezer here, so maybe I’m just a little too far over the hill to get this, but is there something contrary about Americans United calling for separation of church and state and then saying the state should decide who shall be the ministers in the church? Somebody help me please.
The 'religious element' is inherent in the nature of the case when the defendant is a church. Not a cult, but a centuries-old, relatively 'liberal' Protestant church, at that. Cheryl Perich, the plaintiff, argues that the church violated various civil right-based laws and rules by replacing her after she had been effectively ordained ('called', in Lutheran church parlance) to be a minister. Unfortunately, due to Perich's apparently temporary inability to perform her teaching duties (narcolepsy) she was replaced as a teacher and, later, no longer afflicted with narcolepsy she was not able to regain her position (which had already been filled) so, she sued.
When she sued the church (her former employer) she violated church orthodoxy and was, in effect, relieved of her ministerial status as well as her job. Churches should be able to maintain this authority to select or dismiss those they employ on the basis of their adherence (or refusal to adhere) to the church's traditional code of conduct. In this case, as in many Protestant churches, filing a lawsuit against the church in the secular courts was grounds for the woman's dismissal from her ministerial position. I maintain that if a mainline, Protestant church cannot choose it's teachers and ministers without government intervention, religious freedom is lost.
I understand what those words mean, but that makes no sense.
RE: DOJ: Feds Can Tell Church Who Its Ministers Will Be
China decides who the official Bishop of the Chinese Catholic church will be or who the Dalai Lama should be.
You can’t have a church unless you are recognize by their Three Self Movement.
China also has a thriving undergound Christian Church.
Maybe we’re going to be like China soon...
Just stay put, it's coming here!
He is too stupid to be the “son of Pedition”. The horned one would never in a billion years waste his time on Barry...who likes ice cream, plays golf, and uses terms like “I won” and “wee weed up”.
The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints, the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, and the American Center for Law and Justice are among those who have filed briefs supporting the Lutherans.
Now, I've got to wonder if the Catholic, Mormon and Jew haters who frequent so many of these forms will pass up this opportunity to side with the Atheists against their real enemies.
Yeah, but at least their leader isn’t a ***got.
Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod being told who to hire??
Hate to say it, but I feel O’Bummer is correct on this one. Nullification is not a part of the remedy available to Lutheran Pastors in order to remove their ordination. They have due process procedures in their own rules that must be followed.
If they follow their procedures, then they can do it. But, the process is not retroactive unless the ordination was done through fraudulent representation.
It has basically come full circle for the LCMS(lutheran church missouri synod). The german immigrants who came to America that established this denomination came here because the German state was telling them how they needed to worship. Now the US Government is doing the same to them again. Where do I go now?
The Missouri Synod Lutherans I know are among the most conservative people I know. It's the ELCA's that are liberals. Not that it matters in this case.
More government overreach despite the First Amendment. Freedom of religion?
Sadly, this kind of overreach is typical. We’ve had an advancing wave of this kind of tyranny under most governments we’ve had lately, but it’s greatly advanced under this one.
That’s very nice, but these “ministers” are not ordained clergy; they’re merely elementary school teachers. To be a teacher in an LCMS school, one must receive requisite theological training and be “called” by the congregation supporting the school. The ministry of an LCMS teacher is limited to his or her duties as a teacher, much as, say, the duties of an extraordinary minister in the Catholic Church is limited to assisting in distribution of the communion host.
“A separation of church and state group wants the government running churches?”
The Left has always been about “how to fool them today,” including outright lies to hide what they are really up to. They don’t really care about “separation of church and state”, they care about indoctrination BY the state, schools and any other means possible.
Anyone who doesn’t know that that phrase is not constitutional can look to the deliberate agenda of Americans not even knowing their own heritage.
Or taking the trouble to homeschool their own children.
Use it or lose it. That is what Americans have been doing for a long time, not USING it.
Freedom!
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