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Would Herman Cain's '9-9-9' Plan Tax Poor People's Food, Clothing?
International Business Times ^ | 10/11/2011 | Ashley Portero

Posted on 10/11/2011 6:56:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 10/11/2011 6:56:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

And what if it does?

The only way - apparently - to get through to the takers is to reduce their freebies. They clap like trained seals whenever leftist politicians make speeches about ‘fair shares’ but never having paid anything - fair or otherwise - into the system that rewards their sloth they really don’t have an idea of what it means to have one’s property summarily confiscated.


2 posted on 10/11/2011 7:02:08 AM PDT by relictele (Pax Quaeritur Bello)
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The poor are not buying food out of their own pocket. I read somewhere 40% of the family in America are on Food Stamps. This is a straw argument since a lot of food stamps are recycled/sold to buy booze and alcohol which is tax heavily.


3 posted on 10/11/2011 7:04:02 AM PDT by BushCountry (Make Love Not Kinetic Military Action)
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To: SeekAndFind
Would Herman Cain's '9-9-9' Plan Tax Poor People's Food, Clothing?

Food? No. Well, maybe soda and whatever foods are currently subject to taxation.

Clothing? Yes.

Iphones? Yes.

Ipods? Yes.

Video games? Yes.

Lottery tickets? Yes.

Cigarettes? Yes.

Beer? Yes.

Medical marijuana? Yes.

Cable TV? Yes.

4 posted on 10/11/2011 7:04:05 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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Cain responded that "Yes, it does sound fair," claiming the tax would even out since under his policy, those same low-income individuals would not pay taxes "if they need to buy a car or a home or some hard goods that are used."

I don't understand this statement.

I don't pay taxes when I buy a home, maybe he means when you sell a home (but that's only if it's a huge gain, or income property.) But I do pay taxes when I buy a car (state sales tax.)

Thoroughly confused by what this statement means.

5 posted on 10/11/2011 7:04:20 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: SeekAndFind

They already pay taxes on these things. It’s just that now the tax is hidden.


6 posted on 10/11/2011 7:07:34 AM PDT by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind; relictele; BushCountry; Texas Eagle; dawn53

Can someone explain to me how 9-9-9 does NOT become 10-10-10 in the next congress, or then 18-18-18 under the next D admin?

Same with the flat tax or fair tax. Fair tax is fair until the congress starts preferentially giving out “prebates” to political interest groups for votes.


7 posted on 10/11/2011 7:09:07 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: SeekAndFind

Haven’t they always said if you want less of something tax it! So let’s tax the poor more and maybe we’ll have less poor.


8 posted on 10/11/2011 7:10:02 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: relictele

From my own experience - we waste so much food - it’s criminal.

Would suspect that ‘food stamp’ beneficiaries are just as wasteful.

Grocery shopping with a more elderly neighbor reminded me just how lucky we are to have such abundant food available at reasonable cost. Taxing food stuffs would encourage thrift and appreciation.


9 posted on 10/11/2011 7:10:56 AM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you.)
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To: dawn53
The reason the tax wouldn't apply to a house or car is Cain is making the assumption that they are buying a used house or car not brand new and under the Fair Tax which his 9-9-9 plan is a hybrid of the tax is only paid on new purchases.

I don't know if his plan includes the prebate that the fair tax included to avoid this charge.

10 posted on 10/11/2011 7:11:02 AM PDT by Conservative Actuary
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To: SeekAndFind
the poorest Americans would pay a whopping 18 percent of their income in taxes.

WHOPPING??

11 posted on 10/11/2011 7:11:43 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: sam_paine

Can you explain to me how the current tax code doesn’t become 90% tax on the anyone making more than $50K?


12 posted on 10/11/2011 7:11:53 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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Can someone explain to me how 9-9-9 does NOT become 10-10-10 in the next congress, or then 18-18-18 under the next D admin?

Nope.

Nobody will be able to explain how you're going to fire tens of thousands of IRS employees, tax accountants, etc., either.

13 posted on 10/11/2011 7:13:16 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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Nobody will be able to explain how you're going to fire tens of thousands of IRS employees, tax accountants, etc., either.

Well, for IRS employees, we apparently will need people to staff the corporate tax compliance bureau, the personal income tax compliance bureau, and the sales tax compliance bureau.
14 posted on 10/11/2011 7:16:17 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: Texas Eagle

So does anyone have a plan to simply curtail or backstop the existing crazy code with a maximum taxation per person?

Or some “Alternative Maximum Tax” as opposed to the Alternative Minimum Tax.

To hell with Tax Simplification. I don’t care how you come to the number (indeed, other than Geithner’s example, TurboTax makes the most complex tax code relatively simple.)

I’m just worried about the size of the check I write at the end of the day on April 14.


15 posted on 10/11/2011 7:17:37 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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After you explain in detail the 100,000 page current tax system. The most season IRS employees haven’t a clue, different answers for the same question for almost every question.


16 posted on 10/11/2011 7:18:55 AM PDT by BushCountry (Make Love Not Kinetic Military Action)
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To: SeekAndFind

The economic ignorance of this article fairly leaps out at you.


17 posted on 10/11/2011 7:20:02 AM PDT by sauropod (William Kristol does NOT choose my presidential candidate!)
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To: dawn53

He means there is no tax on used goods.


18 posted on 10/11/2011 7:20:15 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: relictele
The only way - apparently - to get through to the takers is to reduce their freebies.

Leave aside for a moment whether Cain's plan is fair or not. It is a tax increase for most people in this country. If you would not vote for a candidate who states that he will raise your taxes and I wouldn't vote for him, how can we expect anyone else whose taxes will be raised to vote for him?

19 posted on 10/11/2011 7:21:00 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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RE: Can someone explain to me how 9-9-9 does NOT become 10-10-10 in the next congress, or then 18-18-18 under the next D admin?

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We get this question in almost every thread relating to tax reform. The answer is the same — ANY TAX REFORM PROPOSAL WILL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM, so if the starting point of any discussion is let’s not do it because some future Congress will turn it into a steaming pile of dung, we might as well not propose anythimg.

Herman Cain verbally stated that together with his 9-9-9 proposal is a requirement that 2/3 of Congress will be needed to increase any of the taxes.

If that isn’t enough, then it isn’t enough for any tax reform proposal.

In the end, only the people’s vigilance will stop Congress from abusing its power. If we aren’t vigilant, we deserve the government we get.


20 posted on 10/11/2011 7:22:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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