Posted on 10/06/2011 4:15:28 PM PDT by Kaslin
“A hundred years of creeping socialism eventually turns in to equal misery for all. Leave NJ.”
Most of us are trying to; we can’t sell our homes. Never mind “at the right price”; nobody wants homes where you pay almost a thousand dollars a month in property taxes alone while the remaining jobs available pay $10/hour.
“The punishment is due in the afterlife, though sometimes it comes a bit early.”
Agreed. Here we are, I think.
Nope. Honor has nothing to do with it.
Of course not, their doing it to maximize their profits on the backs of Americans...Did you think free trade improved the American economy?
Ya think off shoring millions of jobs, while flooding the U.S. with tens of millions of low wage illegals is a benefit to America?
I understand there are people who would like to be seen as “leading” this, but I’m quite sure Obama is losing more votes with every passing day here (he already was anyway). I don’t doubt that there are some downright nasty un-American elements involved in this, and that number is growing steadily, but you should compare the original demonstration with what it has morphed into.
In any event, the environment in which this is happening bears examination; it shouldn’t be ignored.
I wish freepers sometimes would stop being dogmatic and step back and think. I develop much of my philosophy while I was in the military. Many of the people dynamics apply in everyday situations. Many freepers brag how they can change jobs and be so dynamic with every situation every so many years as practiced in modern labor. When you are young and have no family not so bad to have so much change. But try having a steady income, steady environment to raise a family, and all this accelerated career pathway becomes a major stress and destroys a stable environment for one to raise a family a basic unit of society. If a commander goes out of his way to stress the men in his unit needlessly, that unit will soon become useless or worst rebellious. Corporate America and their small chosen inner circle does not care. Workers, staff and etc are treated no differently then used condoms. All this will have an affect on society as workers become less and less dedicated and more resentful. Contrast the yuppy era with the off shoring of job era. At least the yuppies were willing to put 100 plus percent into their jobs because of good pay and reward. Unfortunately many became victims of off shoring of jobs and by the time they reached their fifties they made less money then a counterpart who graduated the same year and worked in the federal government (starting at a lower salary but accumulated steadily under continuous employment). That is pretty bad because in the past a side by side comparison, the private worker always had a larger salary then gov counterpart. Ever since the US embarked on free trade and globalism, gov workers now make more then private counterparts. Gov worker conditions never changed since the 1970’s, but the private workers benefits and salary increases did. Freepers keep screaming that fed workers make more then private. Fed salaries kept up with COLA and benefits formulas were the same for many decades. The fed worker did not make more then private, rather it was private workers who were deprived of raises that made them lag behind in the late 1990’s onward when free trade and globalism was the new economic model for private workers.
For people who don’t collect government pensions, the unofficial retirement age in NJ has been pushed up to 105. As for the illegals, there are much more than “12 million”; we have that many in NJ alone.
At this point we’re even educating the foreigners who will displace us...
You don't get it, it IS the un American nasty elements that organized this whole thing to begin with!
The followers are their useful idiots.
Sheesh, WAKE UP!
Proposing solutions? How about just getting government out of the way? That is the ONLY solution.
LLS
lol...
And then the government frauds in suits standing at podiums, tell um they'll be lucky to collect all the SS money they seized from them during the course of their work histories. What they won't tell ya, is they looted that too.
This won't end well..
If a third party is formed to challenge BOTH liberal parties... then yes... I agree.
LLS
Good points. The Yuppies just became too expensive compared to Asian labor. The government workers that still have their jobs are laughing all the way to the bank, but those that have been laid off will probably never work again; they have experience nobody wants/needs, and the decline in salary/benefits would be difficult for them (not that I care). Rather than get laid off and lose their homes and have their families on welfare, too many young Americans have simply stopped having children and buying the homes to house them. In response, the government lets in a flood of illegals to keep schools (and whole towns) open, while preventing the expected rise in wages caused by a shortage of labor.
Government workers were artificially protected from the forces at work that drove our standard of living into the toilet; now the chickens have come home to roost as the costs of those lavish benefits cause mass layoffs in government jobs. Right now NJ has thousands of unemployed policemen and untenured teachers who probably won’t find work in this state for years to come (while the surviving police and teachers are paid more than the serfs they supposedly work for).
Fascism. These protests (and others), are a reaction to hard Fascism. Here now. Any backed business associated with this regulatory government since Reagan are suspect.
Wait until these protesters face the hard fascist fines and body control of Vampire-Care to come. Along with anyone else here.
How about forced vaccines for starters? Government-”industry” sponsored forced vaccines. Hard fascism. Maybe these protesters need Vampire-Care-”industry” sponsored psycho-pharmaceutical intervention?
Wonder how many here actually OWN, not someone else holding a note, a vehicle? Think the price of a car (even used) are priced to OWN? No problem for a beltway bureaucrat.
Outright FREEDOM of OWNERSHIP (including the body) is the issue.
“Did you think free trade improved the American economy?
Ya think off shoring millions of jobs, while flooding the U.S. with tens of millions of low wage illegals is a benefit to America?”
No and no.
It’s a terrible situation we’ve gotten ourselves into. What caused it? It didn’t happen overnight. I have little interest in a short-term fix.
I lost my job when my company shifted half our business to another state and half to china. It caused some serious reflection for me.
What I’ve come up with so far is this - Belief in God, honor and integrity have been so diminished that they barely get a second thought. The result shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.
“How about just getting government out of the way? That is the ONLY solution.”
I’m all for smaller government, but it has some use in terms of labor laws concerning wages, work conditions, etc. We can’t go back to 1900 conditions, though we’ve certainly slid back from the 1980s. Government by the people that represents the people is fine; I just don’t think we’ve had that for some time.
"These protest goes far beyond just pot smoking hippies...This is a wave anger that will clearly increase. This is a major breakdown in multiple countries all over the globe."
"What if the banks do go bankrupt? So what, so what?"
"3.5 trillion owed by just several European countries that they will *never* pay it off"
"This whole thing is collapsing, there is no way out"
Social security isn’t working well in NJ; they keep understating inflation (when not outright denying its existence, despite increases in costs of fuel, groceries, etc.) to minimize the adjustments to SS; this has led to a large number of people in NJ unable to retire. The monthly payments can’t even cover their property tax bill (even if they own the home free & clear), and they can’t sell the homes for a song because that was their retirement fund (and nobody wants the homes anyway).
I have no problem with any protester (from the left or right) demanding that the funds no longer be taken from their paychecks; they can’t tell me I myself won’t collect, while continuing to draw funds from my check to pay the current retirees. This intergenerational warfare is also taking place in Europe: younger people are being asked to provide a standard of living for older workers & retirees that they themselves will never enjoy.
The market, if left unimpeded, will take care of ‘fair’ wages. We do not need government to determine that.
“These protest goes far beyond just pot smoking hippies...This is a wave anger that will clearly increase.”
Absolutely correct, though I’m sure there are solutions.
Wall street isn’t taking the funds from your paycheck nor the protesters paychecks if they ever had a paycheck that is.
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