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VIDEO (From "The View"): Herman Cain: Being Gay Is A Choice - "Show Me The Science It's Not"
YouTube, "The View" ^ | 10/4/11 | Herman Cain

Posted on 10/05/2011 9:07:04 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

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To: CanaGuy
So if I read you correctly, you are saying, what, that homosexuals suffer from a disease?

You're not reading me correctly at all.

81 posted on 10/06/2011 4:29:20 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: cizinec

Show me your genetic studies. There is no gay gene. Cain is right.


82 posted on 10/06/2011 10:52:04 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Stand up is hard if you're not funny.)
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To: lacrew

The evidence is against you in terms of anyone being born gay, although I’m prepared to believe that there could be a physiological component to why a person might go in that direction vs. some other dysfunction as a reaction to certain early influences.

That said, I also take issue with Cain or anyone else dismissively saying “It’s a choice.” While there are no doubt some (a very few) whose approach to life is one of experimental hedonism leading to homosexual activity, in most cases it is a compulsion embedded due to early emotional damage, not arrived at by choice. The choice comes when one recognizes the compulsion within themselves and must decide whether to embrace it or combat it. Unfortunately, our cultural has become one that encourages the former and villifies the latter.


83 posted on 10/06/2011 11:04:37 PM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: nikos1121

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2788231/posts?page=63#63

I didn’t say there was *a* gene. I said that, according to most scientific studies of the issue, there is an *inherited propensity*. Good grief, there is an inherited propensity to be an alcoholic. I’m not saying being an alcoholic is okay because one has a genetic predisposition. It’s a treatable disease.

Stop setting up a strawman and then asking me to disprove what I’m not even claiming is true.


84 posted on 10/07/2011 5:45:07 AM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: william clark

” . . . in most cases it is a compulsion embedded due to early emotional damage, not arrived at by choice.”

And according to the studies I cited above, that appears to explain 60% of the issue. It seems there has to be:

1. Genetic predisposition to the response.
2. Early emotional trauma, encouragement or other abnormal external influence.
3. Social, physical and emotional stimuli that reinforces the behavior.

Now waiting for the accusation that because I included genetic predisposition I’m claiming people or “born that way” in 5 . . . 4. . . 3.. . 2...


85 posted on 10/07/2011 5:52:46 AM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: nikos1121

BTW, if you read my post above, Cain was not arguing what you are arguing: that people aren’t born that way. He was arguing that it is a choice.

I am saying that, according to the research I’ve already cited, it is only *partially* a choice. Genetic predisposition, non-self-selected (almost always negative) experiences, selected and positively reinforced choices all play a role. The one item that appears to explain the most is non-self-selected, negative experiences. That would mean that the “born that way” and the “it’s a choice” crowd are both wrong.


86 posted on 10/07/2011 5:59:17 AM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: cizinec
The 9p21 gene is the heart attack gene. You carry this and you have agreater propensity, risk to develope coronary artery disease.

The KIF6 gene is another coronary artery disease marker, and tells us if a patient will benefit from Statin therapy.

Please give us the Gay gene. Give us the location and every thing else you can tell us about it.

Bottom line, there is NO gay gene. Homosexuality is probably a disease similar to other addictive disorders.

87 posted on 10/07/2011 6:25:08 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Stand up is hard if you're not funny.)
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To: cizinec

I agree with you for the most part. I’m not sure I’d go as far as genetic predisposition, but I do think it’s possible that, as I said, there’s a physiological component that may steer them in that direction whereas some else with a different makeup might go the route of eating disorder, for instance. But of course we agree that even if it were something they were “born with,” that wouldn’t equate to it being healthy, desirable or untreatable any more than a cleft palate.

I think the 60% figure is too low, unless you’re combining male and female homosexuality. It does seem that female homosexuality tends to often be a more conscious reaction to some form of abuse at the hands of men, and that the male version is more deeply rooted in the psyche.


88 posted on 10/07/2011 11:37:33 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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