Posted on 09/27/2011 4:00:27 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Perry is no rino and with any luck, he'll be Obama’s opponent next year. Willard is the establishment choice and we know he has the upperhand with organization, money and media.
Btw, who do you want?
I’m sorry, but he certainly is. The fact that he managed to roll so many people prior to his slip of honesty about those that oppose him on open borders was pretty appalling. He’s actually a conglomeration of both Slick Willard and Huckster. In the time we’ve had for closer scrutiny, he has revealed himself to be far worse than we imagined. I find him slick and willfully dishonest, not to mention a profound insult to my intelligence and conscience and to that of other Conservatives who demand our laws on immigration be unapologetically enforced and without one iota of pandering to criminals. He should’ve been run out of office a long time ago and it is shameful and disgusting he is still occupying the Governorship for over a decade.
What you consider luck would be a misfortune of epic proportions. I pray the Republican Party will not be saddled with such a grandstanding phony and charlatan, or we shall most certainly deserve to lose once more. I will not vote for him under any circumstances (ditto with Willard). I support the same person for whom I’ve supported since 2008, and I look forward to seeing the most unifying and transformative figure in our party becoming President next year. It’s the same person the overwhelming number of FReepers support and she needs no introduction.
I would like to know how many of the illegals from the last say 5 years are escaping sure death at the hands of the cartels?
Cubans STILL have the right of hit the beach and miracle of miracle you just hit the jackpot. They don’t even have to be threatened.
I can’t figure the hypocracy out.
Perry has a good conservative record and if can improve his debate performance and build steady momentum, he could outlast Willard. In all honesty, that last part is not a certainty. No matter what, the major goal right now is to keep Willard from getting the GOP nomination. period.
>>>>>>... I look forward to seeing the most unifying and transformative figure in our party becoming President next year. It’s the same person the overwhelming number of FReepers support and she needs no introduction.
How smug of you. LOL Must disappoint you again. Always thought Palin would not run and still hold to that. I'd be happy to vote for her, in 2016 or 2020, however.
Let’s just say that before his declared run, I was not a fan of his and ranked him in the mediocre range of Governors (not to say outright horrible, but just the kind of person I would swiftly want replaced), and one who had overstayed his welcome by at least 5 years. Both he and KBH (probably Cornyn, too) have held up good solid Conservatives from rising to those top 3 jobs in the state. He never moved very far from his Democrat roots, and was an opportunistic switcher at that, recruited by Rove, to add to his stable of RINOs who were pro-establishment. Had TX not been moving towards the GOP downballot by the 1990s, it’s not likely he’d have even become a Republican for some time to come.
I have to say that I have received enormous clairity where he is concerned over the past 2 months as I outlined in my prior post and am thankful most others have woken up to the fact he is not on our side. Having witnessed many of his supporters acting in the same egregious manner as the Slick Willardbots, from distorting and lying about his record, to the attacks against Reagan (for whom whose agenda he viscerally opposed) and the elevation of Gore to “Conservative” status for the purpose of maintaining the fraudulent appearance of Perry’s “always” having been right-of-center. When you reach the point that you have to lie about your candidate and recite the same hackneyed and offensive talking points (right down to audacious claims that because we oppose his heavy-handed Gardasil edict, we “want young women to die from cancer”) there simply is nothing more to say that he belongs nowhere near high office, be it the Governorship, the Presidency, or dog catcher. Huckster & Willard rolled into one, with a good dose of Dubya’s level of articulateness and Rove’s RINOness. Willard & La Raza Ricky both need to get the hook.
*I will add as well that my #1 issue is borders, because it is a national security issue. Dubya failed spectacularly on that, and he did so willfully. Perry has not only pursued the exact same track, he has probably come to be one of the greatest champions of illegals in the United States (partly why he was so strong in his support for the social liberal Giuliani for President in ‘08 — as if we needed even more reason to oppose Perry). He willfully insulted millions of people like me, especially those personally harmed by those policies (as I have been), and he has demonstrated time and time again he will not be moved. Any claims to the contrary are nothing but smoke and mirrors and the usual campaign rhetoric by someone aspiring to higher office.
Anyway, I do hope you reassess your stance where he is concerned. This guy has been bad news for a long time, and we can’t afford to get rolled again. We’re losing this country, and he’s part of the reason why.
Speak up!
The smirks and grins he has in a debate are signs of surprise and humility. He doesn't go on the attack against his allies, and shows reservations when expected to do so.
He never mentioned the lady who died from cervical cancer. He met with her, took her riding on his motorcycle, and laid at her bedside before her death. But he never said anything to the media. Not even in Texas. This only recently came out to the open. Probably when ABC News was trying to smear him.
We need a real person in the White House. Rick Perry is our man. He's a real man, just like Reagan. And not as liberal on illegal immigration.
"They [the children of illegals] are being educated, right up to and through high school.Where did it come to pass that if you're here illegally, you have a right to a college education, let alone the right to have it subsidized, when all Americans do NOT have their college educations subsidized?
I mean, this is perverse, to be honest with you.
And it is also the position of the Bush family. And I think…if I'm wrong, I stand corrected…it's the position of some of our "inside-the-beltway" publications.
But it is not the position of the American people, who have to pay this bill, endlessly."
Send your whine to the Obama Administration.
I didn't infer that Perry is a Rino. Only that the Maryland GOP are a herd of Rinos....even after Perry's stumblebum performances in the debates they still endorsed him.
Perry is a weak candidate...perhaps the weakest in the field.
You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, no matter how hard you try!
The fact that he ascended so quickly to the lead shows how dissatisfied the Republican voters are with the choices offered so far.
In neither a Republican nor an unaffiliated.
We have the rare opportunity to elect a true conservative in 2012.
We shouldn't have to play by the antiquated party rules again.
Obama is toast!
The only question remaining is how big will be the landslide!
What a distorted view of the world you have.
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Mark Levin, on his show 9/23/11, regarding Rick Perry and in-state tuition for the children of illegals:
"They [the children of illegals] are being educated, right up to and through high school.Where did it come to pass that if you're here illegally, you have a right to a college education, let alone the right to have it subsidized, when all Americans do NOT have their college educations subsidized?
I mean, this is perverse, to be honest with you.
And it is also the position of the Bush family. And I think…if I'm wrong, I stand corrected…it's the position of some of our "inside-the-beltway" publications.
But it is not the position of the American people, who have to pay this bill, endlessly."
Rick Perry is not the enemy. The level of innuendo, animosity and the cheap pot shots that I have seen thrown Perry's way since he entered the race has been over the top. Not to mention the half truths and falsehoods posted to ad nauseam. That doesn't mean Perry is above criticism. Its open season on his immigration record and his poor debate performance is ripe for harsh criticism. Most of this goes beyond the vetting process, however, and seems to be of a personal nature. In fact, some of the treatment Perry has received at times, rivals the treatment Romney and Giuliani received in 2007. The difference with Perry is, it came out of nowhere, quick and sudden. My guess is, this might have a lot more to do with clearing the field in advance of someone else possibly throwing their hat in the ring. Wonder who that could be?
I understand, Perry is also not the ideal conservative either but his actual record is the record of a conservative. He supports a strong military, limited govt, less spending and lower taxes, he's pro-life, pro-gun, pro-business and supports tax & entitlement reform. If Perry was in the House or Senate he'd probably have a 95% ACU rating. Sure his stance on immigration is less than ideal. I disagree with him on several specific issues related to immigration -— his opposition to a full fence and E-Verify are the two big ones for me. I don't support in-state tuition for the children of illegals. My state of Colorado voted it down in April of this year. But I agree with Perry, its a states rights issue, but not a free ride for anyone. Perry says let voters decide whether they support or oppose it on a state by state basis. That is consistent with Perry's strong support for the 10th amendment and its call for federalism.
Look, there is no changing your mind and for now, my choices are limited. If Perry falters and no one is there to challenge Romney, we will be stuck with Obama for another four years. People who see Cain or Bachmann as a viable alternative who can win the nomination and then beat Obama are delusional. If some folks want to hold out for Palin, that is their business. Fact, a second Obama term will further undermine the Republic and diminish our freedoms. Can't have that happen under any circumstance.
Btw, thanks for your civil replies.
None of the upper shore legislatures have endorsed Perry - this is a hot button issue right now.
Romney says illegal immigrants get a $100,000 break on UT tuition over 4 years (facts)
Unfortunately.
"I'll be honest with you. Not only do you come across as angry, but it appears you hold a personal grudge against Perry. What's that all about?"
I explained why I opposed him in the prior posts. But to say I'm angry can apply to any politician who lies to my face and insults my intelligence. It goes for people that wrap themselves in the banner of saving our country while visibly doing the opposite. You and I see pretty clearly on Slick Willard. He lies to us and he insults our intelligence. As I have said, my #1 issue is borders, which goes to our national security. I have come to expect the Democrat Party could care less about the issue (only unless the day comes when the Big Labor Unions issue the order to put the kibosh on it because cheap illegal slave labor hurts their bottom line). But since the 1990s when the issue has exploded in our faces (especially mine), we've seen a whole class of Republicans who not only won't confront the issue, but don't even consider it a problem. At best, you might get them to make some comments in our favor, but it is generally disingenuous. McCain, Dubya, Giuliani, Willard and Perry are precisely those types. Huckster didn't even attempt to hide his contempt for those who want something done and now. Perry just came out of the proverbial closet.
Since 2007, the problem with illegals moved from being a more distant problem confined to the most unsavory areas of my neighborhood to quite literally in my face. Nothing has been done about it and it has continued to worsen. I am sick of being lectured by elites (and that includes Perry) telling me I am heartless, bigoted, racist, you name it for wanting this horrific problem addressed and vigorously dealt with. It was bad enough the daily harrassment from the neighbors terrorizing us, but the coup de grace was one afternoon when I was sitting here and heard screams and gunshots. I run out my front door and see a body laying in the middle of the street. A Guatemalan illegal who had been here for a decade unmolested attempted to murder 2 police officers in broad daylight. One officer almost died from the illegal's attack and the partner was forced to shoot the illegal point-blank (who unfortunately survived). Absolute bedlam ensued. People out of their houses, traffic jams, news helicopter parked directly above my house. My health isn't good to begin with and the stress makes it that much worse.
I expect my elected officials to DO something about this insanity, and when the so-called law & order party's leaders sit on their hands and stand with the elites lecturing us as if WE have done something wrong, that WE are the criminals for wanting our laws enforced, that is an outrage and offense of epic proportions and absolutely unforgiveable. I always knew Perry was a squish on this issue, but he went far and beyond in proving himself an outright enemy where borders and illegals are concerned. To me, it no longer matters where he stands on everything else. If a politician is not only wrong but viscerally offensive and antithetical to our borders and security, he MUST be opposed and removed from office or prevented from holding it. I consider it to be a treasonable offense. I will no longer mince words here. We can't wait 5 years, 10 years or longer, it must be done now.
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"Look, there is no changing your mind and for now, my choices are limited. If Perry falters and no one is there to challenge Romney, we will be stuck with Obama for another four years. People who see Cain or Bachmann as a viable alternative who can win the nomination and then beat Obama are delusional. If some folks want to hold out for Palin, that is their business. Fact, a second Obama term will further undermine the Republic and diminish our freedoms. Can't have that happen under any circumstance."
I'm sorry you feel the need to use the Perrybot talking point of "him or no one" can win. Virtually ANY Republican nominee will be competitive with Zero (who in one matchup today was only getting 39% of the vote, and that is horrible for an incumbent President). But I will not lower the bar so far as to anoint someone who is as viscerally offensive to me as any other liberal Democrat as Perry is just to "beat" a Democrat. We've lowered it too far as it is and it's time we start raising it and DEMANDING our Republicans to unapologetically do the right thing. If they won't, I will not support them. I am DONE voting for elitist RINOs and people insulting my intelligence and openly calling me a heartless (racist). People like Perry just don't get it and they won't suddenly acquire wisdom once in the White House. If that was the case, then Zero would be a f'ing genius by now. I want my country back. No surrender and no compromise.
Oh please.......the FEC better make sure those "donors" are legit. Power-crazed politicians have been known to fake "donations" that actually came from elsewhere.
Just the other day, Senor Ricardo released his "holdings" but he sure left OUT a LOT----like for instance, that one of his multi-million dollar "political committees" paid for family trips all over the world. And what about his wife's "holdings?" Anita also worked for Texas government----for a non-profit that received "grants" from her husband, the Governor's, office. Just a coincidence, I'm sure (/snix).
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So how many political/personal slush funds does Senor Ricky have? This is what we know to date----could be many many more.
<><> “Texans for Rick Perry” committee is a $102 million slush fund he uses at will. Some PAC mega-donors paid in $100,000 each in order to influence Perry's official actions. Gov Perry paid for posh family trips to the Bahamas, Amsterdam, Madrid out of campaign contributions from his “Texans for Rick Perry” committee.
<><> Perry's "Make Us Great Again PAC" raised millions to flood Iowa, and other early voting states, with ads promoting their boy.
<><> At the time he was saying he WAS NOT running for president last year, Ricky's Super-Pac raised $55 million for a presidential race---in $2500 max per person/ $5000 max per corporate PAC contributions. Perry organizers would not say what the Perry presidential groups has raised to date.
<><> Perry bragged at the Tea Party debate that he raised $33 million for reelection that year and that he was "offended" at the inference that he could be "bought" with Gardisil mfg Merck's $5000 campaign donation. Merck funneled $5,000 to Perry as down payment for the Gardisil EO, but eventually gave Perry $400,000, a move that sparked outrage across Texas and, now, the nation.
<><> The $295 million Texas Enterprise Fund doles out millions of tax dollars to Perry supporters who then kick-backed to his campaign coffers. TESF also gave $20 million to Countrywide Mtge---the crooks at the heart of the US financial meltdown---- Ricky said the $20 million was to (cough) "create jobs."
<><> Perry raised funds for the Republican Governors' Association, and, in turn, Perry's 2006 campaign received two $500,000 checks from the RGA that he did not disclose as election law requires.
<><> His wife Anita Perry's $60,000-a-year salary at the Austin "nonprofit" "Texas Association Against Sexual Assault" comes indirectly from Gov. Perry's political donors, state contractors and companies that do business with the state or have issues before the Legislature. Of 37 major donors during Anita Perry's tenure as fundraiser, ONLY three have NO ties to the governor or state business. Anita Perry is paid from the "nonprofit" money pool that includes political contributions. TAAS also receives grants from state agencies AND the governor's office. Donating to the TAASA seems to be another way Perry dreamed up for those with an interest in state government to influence Perry. State grants to the "non-profit" could be easily laundered especially w/ Mrs P at the helm.
<><> One report called “The Governor’s Gusher,” documents 100 wealthy donors who “have sought corporate welfare, relaxed regulatory rules or other government favors” in exchange for their political largess in Texas gubernatorial races. A disturbing number of these profiteers made a fortune off government handouts or by bending or breaking regulatory rules.
<><> The $200 million Texas Emergency Technology Fund was created at Perry's behest in 2005 to act as a kind of public-sector venture capital firm, largely to provide funding for tech start-ups in Texas. Since then, the fund has committed nearly $200 million tax dollars to fund 133 companies. Mr. Perry told a group of CEOs in May that the fund's "strategic investments are what's helping us keep groundbreaking innovations in the state." A select few including Perry enjoy ultimate decision-making power over the fund's investments. Dallas Morning News found that some $16 million from the tech fund went to firms in which major Perry contributors were either investors or officers, and $27 million from the fund went to companies founded or advised by six advisory board members.
<><> The tangle of interests surrounding the $200 million Texas Emergency Technology Fund, created at Perry's behest, has raised eyebrows throughout the state, especially among conservatives, who think the fund is a misplaced use of taxpayer dollars to start with.
<><> Perry also has a pot of "inaugural committee" monies (bet that comes in handy).
<><> A recent bill pushed through the Texas Legislature benefited Waste Control Specialists, a company owned by #2 donor to Perry, Harold Simmons. Just days after the bill was signed into law, Simmons wrote a $100,000 check to "Americans for Rick Perry, " another of Perry's presidential PACs.
<><> Another donor paid Perry nearly $8 million in campaign contributions and sought and received his own regulatory agency called "The Texas Residential Construction Commission" in 2003.
<><> And so on and so forth, ad infinitum, ad nauseaum.
That is the money line from you. The bold type was not necessary, btw. I can read fine.
Look, I've offered objective analysis about the current state of the GOP primary process. That analysis says that this is a two man race from here on out. Could that possibly change? Sure. Will it likely change? No, I don't believe it will. Except for the Palin factor which will throw the entire primary season into chaos. This is about stopping Romney at all cost. Its about being honest who can take Willard on and then take him down. Again, Cain is a good man, just not the right candidate. Same goes for Bachmann. I completely understand that your #1 issue is borders. Its one of my top five. Problem is there is no ideal candidate. Never has been. Reagan came closest to my idea of having a perfect conservative persona. Beyond the campaign season, even Reagan was unable to govern as a 100% conservative as Governor or President. Reagan's 80% agreement remark was a goal he achieved and that made him a great leader in US history.
>>>>>Virtually ANY Republican nominee will be competitive with Zero
I disagree. We are a 13 months out from the election. What is looking good today, might be the complete opposite in a year. Just look at 1980. Reagan was not the front runner a year out from the election. He didn't even announce until Nov.13 1979. Reagan did start to pull even with Carter about a month before the election took place. And if Reagan hadn't been the GOP nominee, good chance Carter would have won it. Its not easy taking down a sitting US President. Bush41 was the exception. Thank you Ross Perot.
I still think you hold a personal grudge against Perry. I was just curious what that was all about. One more time. Perry is not the ideal candidate and he is not the enemy either. Whether you come to realize the latter point, is an unknown at this stage.
You used it and it's the same argument used by the Perrybots to set up a false choice. I use bold face to distinguish comments from mine if I'm quoting them, it has nothing to do with the content (i.e. to denote emotion).
"Look, I've offered objective analysis about the current state of the GOP primary process. That analysis says that this is a two man race from here on out. Could that possibly change? Sure."
You've offered analysis from the point of a Perry supporter, but that's not objective. It's subjective. For the most part, this field has been terrible, and his entry made it even worse.
"Will it likely change? No, I don't believe it will. Except for the Palin factor which will throw the entire primary season into chaos."
Something will have to change with respect to a primary field that has two lying anti-Conservative phonies in the lead.
"This is about stopping Romney at all cost."
No, this about stopping RINOs at all cost. Slick Willard is only one. Perry is the other. Virtually almost all of the rest of the field is as well, but to a lesser degree.
"Its about being honest who can take Willard on and then take him down. Again, Cain is a good man, just not the right candidate. Same goes for Bachmann."
I have only one modest problem with Cain, but compared to the rest of the current field, he is the only viable candidate who doesn't insult my intelligence and offend my sense of right and wrong. Bachmann is OK, but I've only considered her somewhat of a stand-in for Palin.
"I completely understand that your #1 issue is borders. Its one of my top five. Problem is there is no ideal candidate. Never has been."
We know which ones are viscerally opposed to enforcement, and those are the ones who will NEVER earn my support or that of millions of others.
"Reagan came closest to my idea of having a perfect conservative persona. Beyond the campaign season, even Reagan was unable to govern as a 100% conservative as Governor or President. Reagan's 80% agreement remark was a goal he achieved and that made him a great leader in US history."
The irony isn't lost when you consider Perry has had not only a Republican majority for most of his time in office, but SUPERMAJORITIES as of late, and yet he has done nothing with it and still insults us who demand action. What would Reagan have done with GOP supermajorities at a time like this ? Methinks he wouldn't be spitting in our faces.
"I disagree. We are a 13 months out from the election. What is looking good today, might be the complete opposite in a year. Just look at 1980. Reagan was not the front runner a year out from the election. He didn't even announce until Nov.13 1979. Reagan did start to pull even with Carter about a month before the election took place. And if Reagan hadn't been the GOP nominee, good chance Carter would have won it."
The entire country would have to undergo a paradigm shift in the next year and that's not going to happen. Things are getting worse, not better. As for Carter, unless a type like John Anderson had been the GOP nominee, it was almost inevitable that we'd have won with one of our candidates. The question is whether it would've been a modest defeat or landslide.
"Its not easy taking down a sitting US President. Bush41 was the exception. Thank you Ross Perot."
Perot didn't take down Bush, Sr. Bush, Sr. took himself down. Had he not listened to his RINO establishment instincts, he'd have cruised to reelection. Perot might've won the election had he not gotten cold feet and withdrawn the first time before he reentered again.
"I still think you hold a personal grudge against Perry. I was just curious what that was all about. One more time. Perry is not the ideal candidate and he is not the enemy either. Whether you come to realize the latter point, is an unknown at this stage."
I outlined my point in detail. But anyone that does what he does as an elected official or in any other capacity is my enemy. You either enforce the law and defend our country against millions of invaders, or you stand against us. Perry made his bed. He shall earn all that comes with having done so.
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