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The Phony Solyndra Scandal (Big government SUPPOSED to take risks the private sector won’t)
NY Times ^ | 9/23/11 | JOE NOCERA

Posted on 09/24/2011 12:10:24 PM PDT by Libloather

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To: Libloather
Indeed, risk-taking is what these programs are all about.

Maybe I missed it, but did the author also note that certain tax provisions for oil exploration companies are also related to risk? I would assume that he considers those loopholes instead of tax structures that encourage the exploration and development of energy resources we actually use.

What a hypocrite. The difference between Solyndra and Exxon Mobile is that Solyndra took moey from the people to fund it's garbage, Exxon only gets to deduct a part of it's expenses from the taxes it pays. I vote for Exxon as the real contributor to society...

41 posted on 09/24/2011 2:59:01 PM PDT by !1776!
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To: indthkr; Libloather
Just more evidence that this was about politics and payoffs - not technology risk.

Like ripping the contract for building MRAP's away from Stewart and Stevens (renamed BAE) of Houston, and giving it to a plant in Wisconsin, where Russ Feingold was trying to hang onto his Senate seat.

The Chicago Boys are about nothing but payoffs. They make the Grant and Harding Administrations seem positively fragrant by comparison.

42 posted on 09/24/2011 3:13:40 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Libloather

The phony Solyndra scandal and the phony journalists at the New YOrk Times go together like a horse and carriage.

IMHO


43 posted on 09/24/2011 4:20:04 PM PDT by ripley
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To: cicero2k; Libloather; All
Nice try NYT. Where are the safeguards? How much should we risk, for what return? When should we pull the plug? The fact is, many of the safeguards were in place at the DOE. They were over ridden by politics.

Another problem is that not only Joe Nocero doesn't critically examine the facts, he is also wrong in his main premise: "... federal loan programs — especially loans for innovative energy technologies — virtually require the government to take risks the private sector won’t take." Joe doesn't want to examine why private sector wouldn't invest in certain kinds of technology or companies, or why the company had to apply for the government loan / "investment and whether company was seeking but failed to find private investment first - there should have been a strong profit motive on both sides of the deal, while DOE is just playing with Other People's Money.

Private sector has invested plenty in all kinds of solar energy projects without direct federal money "investment" or "loans" - there is no shortage of solar energy research and development within and outside the U.S. This is not anywhere near a Manhattan Project of solar energy power.

BTW, when Bill Clinton killed the funding for Texas particle accelerator (Superconducting Super Collider, a truly worthwhile scientific project that private industry couldn't and has no need to fund) did NYT or Joe Nocero write an article about the need to invest in research that private sector would not fund?

Also, everybody in the solar industry knew or understood that Solyndra's method was way to expensive, not just relative to Chinese-sunsidized solar panels but against their American and foreign competitors as well.

From Obama $8 Billion Solar ‘Betamax' Undercut as China Backs Rival Technology - BL, by Ben Sills, 2011 September 20

From World's First Solar Building Exporting Power Shelved by Abu Dhabi's Masdar - BL, by Ayesha Daya, 2011 September 15

Not only these DOE "investments" or "loans" failed but these failures may drag down with them and set back the R&D funding from private sources which may find certain viable uses for solar and other technologies on the strength of the cost-benefit analysis.

It seems there has been plenty of money in the world in private sector devoted to developing solar energy power, and some fiscally responsible companies who plan to stay in business are walking away from guaranteed DOE loans. Solyndra had no real competitive plan to stay in business. NYT and Joe Nocero either pretend or really don't understand this and have no interest in government spending accountability (unless it's on military).

Solution? Simple. How about the same accountability which exists in the private sector? Congress can reduce DOE funding by $535M next fiscal year (and add other failed political "investments" to the "penalty box" amount) and see how much appetite they have for "investing" in other dubious projects of this kind in the future. Because in private sector this would be the money no longer available for investment.

44 posted on 09/24/2011 11:57:06 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy

Thanks for developing the argument and making ste distinction between basic research and venture capitalism.

Also, you point out that the industry has made the shift from thremal to photovoltaics very recently. So, with cheap product from China coupled with local siting and architecture mission accomplished. Not to say that we should stop funding NREL so they can chase strange ideas, but let the private sector develop this energy source in this incarnation.


45 posted on 09/25/2011 8:01:07 AM PDT by cicero2k
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To: dfwgator
Both parties are knee deep in Crony Capitalism.

Properly called National Socialism or abbreviated...NAZI!

46 posted on 09/25/2011 2:16:30 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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NYT :” The company’s recent bankruptcy — which the Republicans are now rabidly “investigating” because Solyndra had the misfortune to receive a $535 million federally guaranteed loan from the Obama administration — was largely brought on by a stunning collapse in the price of solar panels over the past year or so. The company’s innovative solar panels, high-priced to begin with, became increasingly uncompetitive in the marketplace. Solyndra didn’t have enough big commercial customers to create the necessary economies of scale. And although Harrison and Stover remained optimistic up to the bitter end — insisting six weeks before the late-August bankruptcy filing that the company was going to be fine — they ultimately failed to raise additional capital that would have allowed Solyndra to stay in business. The Republicans are trying to make that optimism appear sinister, but if we’ve learned anything from the financial crisis, it is that wishful thinking in the face of a collapsing market is not a crime........
But if we could just stop playing gotcha for a second, we might realize that federal loan programs — especially loans for innovative energy technologies — virtually require the government to take risks the private sector won’t take. Indeed, risk-taking is what these programs are all about. Sometimes, the risks pay off. Other times, they don’t. It’s not a taxpayer ripoff if you don’t bat 1.000; on the contrary, a zero failure rate likely means that the program is too risk-averse. Thus, the real question the Solyndra case poses is this: Are the potential successes significant enough to negate the inevitable failures?

Paraphrasing to get to his point:
Yep, that is the purpose of government loans, to loan out money to risky ventures that no investor in their right mind would(then tax the unwilling investor later for it when it goes bad like Fannie and Freddie) . Move on, nothing to see here. Now lets get on to the responsible business of LONG term deficit reduction, raising taxes (esp on those wealthy) AFTER the election, time to grow up .

I don't remember these libs so forgiving when all the stories came out about fraud and waste and money down the tubes under that last POTUS. Now $500M is nothing because their liberal Messiah is blowing our future.

I still think the Obama in-Justice Dept. launched this criminal investigation to get the Solyndra managers to shut up to congress until after the election, notice how this NYT lib talks as if Republicans launched it.

47 posted on 09/26/2011 6:36:35 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Over-taxed means 'paying too much in taxes', not zero taxes)
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That is what they did, the raid was to get the evidence where no one could see it, Berger will now steal it.


48 posted on 09/26/2011 6:51:22 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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RE :"That is what they did, the raid was to get the evidence where no one could see it, Berger will now steal it.'

This was something I thought up on my own, but the more I watch these libs defend the company, including the libs in the House, the more the DOJ investigation looks like a political scam to me.

Can the house give them immunity to testify? I know it would cause a fuss.

49 posted on 09/26/2011 6:55:38 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Over-taxed means 'paying too much in taxes', not zero taxes)
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To: sickoflibs
I don't remember these libs so forgiving when all the stories came out about fraud and waste and money down the tubes under that last POTUS. Now $500M is nothing because their liberal Messiah is blowing our future.

BINGO!

50 posted on 09/26/2011 7:06:06 AM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: Libloather

An investigation by the FBI and the Treasury Department is not needed. The New York Times has already cleared everyone involved of any wrong-doing.


51 posted on 09/26/2011 9:51:41 AM PDT by GSWarrior (To activate this tagline please contact the Admin Moderator.)
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To: Libloather

In case you’ve forgotten, this is the same Joe Nocera, who in a August 2011 column on the US debt ceiling crisis compared Tea Party Republicans with terrorists, and wrote that they “have waged jihad on the American people” and suggested that they “can put aside their suicide vests”.


52 posted on 09/26/2011 9:58:18 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Libloather

More fractured fairy tales from the NYT.
“and the all road off on their magic unicorns and lived happily ever after” The End (of the US).


53 posted on 09/26/2011 10:06:46 AM PDT by Leep
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Thanks sickoflibs. Ping for Partisan Media Shill from the New York Slimes.

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54 posted on 09/26/2011 3:59:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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