Posted on 09/22/2011 8:06:48 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
You are welcome. Scary isn’t it.
From the candidates in stage that is going to mean Gingrich or Santorum to latch onto or work with. I think I could be ok with most combinations of those 4. A Bachmann/Cain pairing might be awesome, bit isn't realistic in my opinion.
Last week I suggested a Gingrich/Cain pairing and still think that would be a good match. Newt could groom Cain for a future presidency while Cain could help keep Newt in line. Cain would also help stem the flow if cries of racism from those that would say they were bashing Obama because he is black. I like Cain's ideas and the fact that he is black is a bonus, imo.
I could support a Gingrich/Bachmann pairing, too. I do think its time for her to let gardasil go, but, if nothing she else, she has shown herself to be tenacious.
20 years ago I took a genealogy class when I was at BYU. I was appalled at the number of errors and bad info that I found when I was working on the pedigree forms.
Exactly. Good post.
Imo what we have is a game-board for politicians and not one of them is taking it seriously, by any means, as a security threat, though they toss the name around...but it is simply verbiage til they do something concrete about it. What's been done so far is appeasement and honestly turning their heads from the reality of our border wars.
The despicable part of it all is the current crimes committed against our citizens by illegals...and the numbers are astounding.....the “enemy” is here and firing and yet our Government remains inattentive....if they were the borders would be closed but as usual the government thinks wrongfully it can control whatever fallout comes....just a matter of time before the numbers alone will tell the story and it will be too late...and in many respects it already is.
Additionally the disease's we're now contending with. These people coming in have no immunizations at all...tuberculosis in now spreading at an alarming rate. And no surprise coming in via illegals.
What do you do with the children brought here as minors, or infants?
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Send them home with their parents. They are citizens of that country, not ours. They can apply to come here legally when they are adults until then...bye.
It would also do a lot to curb the overcrowding of schools and hospitals and help the costs of each for the taxpayers.
The GOVERNMENT is not supposed to ‘have a heart’. The governments job is to do the business of government ONLY
Leave it to people and churches and charities to have heart.
When the government does it then it becomes a magnet and a never ending welfare program addition
PEPRY IS OUT, IN MY BOOK
Right now it is Cain, Newt, or Palin
Exactly...the simple truth goes unheaded....it' not about stopping illegals anymore...it's what do we do with them when they come here...and we all know how the training and welfare programs simply feed and house them and that's as far as they go...they love a free ride.
There are so few who want more than being taken care of once they are on the government meal ticket.
I've watched my neighborhood go downhill in less than five years....only the problem here is they opened a new county prison...as a result all the inmates families began to arrive along with their friends.....most on the welfare rolls.....there is so much section eight housing here that to find reasonable rental properties is unheard of...landlords raised their rates out of sight of the average working man... to get on the government milk just as much as those who rent from them....you should see the rental rates and you get nothing!
Complete nonsense. Romney is not OBAMA. Absolutely ridiculous.
Romney is calling for tax cuts, Obama for tax increases...how are they the same?
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They are the same. Gun control, healthcare, abortion...all the same. And many other issues as well. Romney is OBAMA - a socialist statist gun grabbing liberal who pretends to be a republican.
Romney has been taught to lie to get what he wants and he does it all the time. Do you really think he would push tax cuts?? ROFL. He flip flops on everything.
Colo and E, do either of you have the table of Romney’s flip flops?
Jim, found another Romney lover for you.
I will vote my conscience, I can do no less and the GOP has to get the message that we won’t hold our noses any more and vote for the RINOs they throw up as nominees.
I voted for McCain and that was the last time I will hold my nose and vote for a RINO.
Thank you for posting that. Bachmann just moved up a big notch with that response in my book.
Yep, yep and yep.
And you are dead on about the diseases. Last year I caught the chicken pox (never had them as a kid), found out that it was a new mutated strain from Mexico. I caught it while in CA taking my mother back for the winter. They have brought back diseases we thought we had eradicated.
As I posted earlier, watching the news in CA and listening to the police scanner, it came as a shock when one night there was a white person who was arrested for a crime. It is always Rodriguez, Gonzalez, Hernandez, Fernandez, etc.
Stay home and STFU for 4 years after obama is in there again - ok?
Is there anyone who thinks that these people come here for a worse life? No they are living in miserable conditions and are willing to risk life and limb to come here to make a better life for themselves and their families.
I dare say that if you were living in some hell hole in Mexico controlled by drug lords and living in filth, you would move heaven and earth to come here and try to make your life better for yourself and your family.
How are you any different? You want these people to leave because you believe that if they leave, you will somehow have a better life for you and your familiy. And you are willing to move heaven and earth to get them out of here.
What do you do with the children brought here as minors, or infants?
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Send them home with their parents. They are citizens of that country, not ours.
So what is so hard for people to understand about sending them home with their parents? But of course FOX has made it quite clear that won’t happen as they will be a drain on HIS economy and welfare rolls. Sounds like the immigrant issue here is the same as the Palestinian issue in the ME. Nobody wants the illegals and there’s a reason they don’t.
If these folks are so productive then why wouldn’t Fox be interested in bringing them home? Cause he knows those coming acroos are not the cream of his crop.
(Snopes.com) So then Texans wonder why we complain....they can say all they want about letting illegals enter their country but we are paying and paying for them as much as any Texan is!
Waffles for breakfast, supper/lunch, dinner 7-days-a-week anyone?
| YEAR | Obvious Pro-Abortion Romney | Romney Feigning 'Pro-Life' |
| Romney, goin' back to 1970 when Romney's Mom ran for Senate | "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy) | "'He's been a pro-life Mormon faking it as a pro-choice friendly,'" Romney adviser Michael Murphy told the conservative National Review..., says the Concord Monitor = So I guess that made him a below-the-radar "flip" acting like a "flop?" |
| 1994 (Campaign) | "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice." (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy) = Mitt the flipster from what most LDS represent their faith as being...BTW, Romney uses the strongest word possible for support – “sustain” ...Note for non-Mormons: Lds use the word “sustain” for support for their own “prophet” | Romney has since invoked a "nuanced stance" about what he was in 1994: He says "Look, I was pro-choice. I am pro-life. You can go back to YouTube and look at what I said in 1994. I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice. (Source: Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate Aug 5, 2007) |
| 1994 (Planned Parenthood ties) → 2001 | (a) Romney's wife gives donation to Planned Parenthood... (b) On June 12, 1994, Romney himself attends private Planned Parenthood event at home of a sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood board member where the president of Planned Parenthood recalls talking to Romney: "Nicki Nichols Gamble, a former president and chief executive of Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts, said today that the photo shows Mitt and Ann Romney at a private home in Cohasset in June 1994." Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941932/posts; "Gamble said the pic was snapped at an event at GOP activist Eleanor Bleakie’s house and that she “clearly” remembered speaking with Romney at the event." Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941627/posts; "In fact Romney personally attended the Planned Parenthood event in question on June 12, 1994. Gamble, the President of Massachusuetts Planned Parenthood in 1994, also attended the event at the home of a Republican, Eleanor Bleakie, the sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood Board member. Both Romney and Michael Kennedy, who appeared on behalf of nephew of Ted Kennedy, attended the event." Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941240/posts | 2001: "I do not wish to be labeled pro-choice." (Mitt Romney, Letter to the Editor, The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/12/01) = So he doesn't want to be known as a "flop" (so what is he?) |
| 2002-2004 | “I will preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose, and have devoted and am dedicated to honoring my word in that regard…(Nov. 2, 2002) = Well, now guess what? He's solidly pro-abortion AGAIN! See also: "I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one … Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government's." (Stephanie Ebbert, "Clarity Sought On Romney's Abortion Stance," The Boston Globe, 7/3/05) = Ah, back securely in the "flop" saddle again? | Nov. '04: Romney & his wife had simultaneous pro-life "conversions" linked to stem cell research: Romney met w/Dr. Douglas Melton from Harvard Stem Cell Institute: He recalls that it happened in a single revelatory moment, during a Nov. 9, 2004, meeting with an embryonic-stem-cell researcher who said he didn't believe therapeutic cloning presented a moral issue because the embryos were destroyed at 14 days. "It hit me very hard that we had so cheapened the value of human life in a Roe v. Wade environment that it was important to stand for the dignity of human life," Romney says. Source: Time Mag, March 9, 2007 = (So the pro-abortion-but-no-pro-choice-label-please-is-now-a-pro-life-convert?) |
| 2005 | May 27 2005: Romney affirms his commitment to being "pro-choice" at a press conference. ("I am absolutely committed to my promise to maintain the status quo with regards to laws relating to abortion and choice.") = OK, this is at least a flop from November '04! | What about his gubernatorial record '03-'06? Mitt later says his actions were ALL pro-life. I assume somewhere in '05 some 'pro-life' decisions. "As governor, I’ve had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action I’ve taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life, I have stood on the side of life." = So, THESE ACTIONS were not only an '02 commitment reversal, but his May 27, '05 press conference commitment as well. So "flipping" is beginning to be routine |
| 2006 | April 12, 2006--Mitt signs his "Commonwealth Care" into existence, thereby expanding abortion access/taxpayer funded abortions for women--including almost 2% of the females of his state who earn $75,000 or more. (Wait a minute, I thought he told us post-'06 that ALL of his actions were "pro-life?"). Also, not only this, but as governor, Romney could exercise veto power to portions of Commonwealth Care. Did Romney exercise this power? (Yes, he vetoed Sections 5, 27, 29, 47, 112, 113, 134 & 137). What prominent section dealing with Planned Parenthood as part of the "payment policy advisory board" did Romney choose NOT to veto? (Section 3) That section mandates that one member of MassHealth Payment Policy Board must be appointed by Planned Parenthood League of MA. (See chapter 58 of the Acts of 2006, section 3 for details). | "As governor, I’ve had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action I’ve taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life, I have stood on the side of life." = So, then THESE ACTIONS were not only a reversal of his 2002 commitment, but his May 27, 2005 press conference commitment. So "flipping" is still routine |
| Early 2007 | On January 29, 2007 during South Carolina visit, Romney stated: “Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice." (Bruce Smith, "Romney Campaigns in SC with Sen. DeMint," The Associated Press, 1/29/07) = OK how could "every action I've taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life..." AND this statement BOTH be true? | Another South Carolina campaign stop has Romney uttering "I was always for life”: "I am firmly pro-life… I was always for life." (Jim Davenport, "Romney Affirms Opposition to Abortion," The Associated Press, 2/9/2007) = Oh, of course as the above shows, he's always been pro-life! |
| Summer 2007 | "I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice." Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate 8/5/2007 = OK...looking at '94 & '02 campaigns, both his public statements, his 2002 voter guide responses, & his actions (which are a major form of expression, ya know!) how could he say he "never said" he was "pro-choice?" | Then comes his 8/12/07 interview with Chris Wallace of Fox: "I never called myself pro-choice. I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice, and so..." = Whatever he was from '70 when his mom ran as pro-abortion senator & he sided w/ her, to 5/27/05, w/whatever interruption he had due to a pro-life altar call in Nov of '04, whatever that was...well, he assures us it wasn't a pro-abortion 'inlook' or outlook 'cause he didn't feel "pro-choice..." = So does that make him a life-long pro-lifer? |
| December 2007 (Anything 'different' from embryos' perspective than June 2002?) | 5.5 years before – June 13, 2002: Romney: ...spoke at a bioethics forum at Brandeis University. In a Boston Globe story filed the next day, he was quoted as saying that he endorsed embryonic stem cell research, hoping it would one day cure his wife's multiple sclerosis. And he went on to say: "I am in favor of stem cell research. I will work and fight for stem cell research," before adding, "I'd be happy to talk to [President Bush] about this, though I don't know if I could budge him an inch." When pressed, however, Romney and his aides declined to offer an opinion on "therapeutic" or embryonic cloning. Source: Weekly Standard | December 5, 2007: Romney: ...surplus embryos...Those embryos, I hope, could be available for adoption for people who would like to adopt embryos. But if a parent decides they would want to donate one of those embryos for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable. It should not be made against the law." Any "inquiring minds" want to try wrapping their minds around how a politician in one sentence mentions "adopting" embryos out (yes, a great thing to mention!) -- but then in the very NEXT breath says if a "PARENT" wants to be "pro-choice" (Mitt used the word "decides" which is what "pro-choicers" say they want) "to donate one of those embryos for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable." Say what???? How about 8-month gestationally-aged infants in the womb, Mitt? Or already-born infants, too, Mitt? If a "parent decides they would want to donate one of those...for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable..." No??? What's the 'pro-life' difference, Mitt? Here you call an embryo's mom&dad "parents" -- but "parents" w/ "research" give-away rights? How bizarre we have such schizophrenic "candidate!" |
Oh I get it....we have a lot of people here that are anti-Mormon...apparently so much so they are pro Muslim and Pro Obama.
It’s interesting, to say the least.
To say Romney and Obama are the same is one of the more hysterical things I’ve read in a long time. Do they have similar positions on some areas...yup. Are they the same across the board....wow...just wow.
Darn good question.
(So if Romney "juggles" better than Obama, that makes him "different" than Zero on abortion? ... see chart on post #577)
On forcing employers to treat homosexual employees as "minorities," -- attempted legislation homosexual activists pushed called ENDA (Employment Non-Discrimination Act), Romney was first for it; then he was against it; then he was against it @ the fed level, but could be enacted @ the state level.
So your Romney is indeed "different" in only he camouflages his social issues positions...'cause he ALWAYS waffling!
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