Posted on 09/22/2011 4:40:55 AM PDT by Kaslin
By the grace of God, Israel CAN and WILL survive because of the same God of the Holy Bible. I stand by Israel.
I think it has less to do with God and more to do with several million heavily armed and trained Jews with their own military infrastructure, industry and a good grasp of history.
Israel will survive. God will protect the apple of His eye. This may be the time that God will protect Israel and destroy a lot of countries who come up against it.
Israel also has a bunch of nice, shiny nukes—AND there is also the Masada option in the end.
Israel WILL survive!
The question is “how the world will react to Israel’s self defense?”.
If you do not understand God’s relationship to Israel, then you cannot understand the situation in the Mid-East.
Ask yourself, “Why does a tiny tribe of people still exist after thousands of years, after being run over on several occasions by the strongest empires of the time? Why do so many nations start foaming at the mouth in rage, trying to destroy Israel? Why has no one, from Nebuchadnezzar to Hitler to Yasser Arafat, succeeded?”
The Jewish people are God’s reminder to the world that no matter how sophisticated, powerful and enlightened we think ourselves, He is still in charge.
....And also I do add, Israel has its own “Silicon Valley”, second to the USA’s. In other words, the Israelis USE the brains God has given them.
There is a Pali state, JORDAN.
If Israel falls it will be due to the American Jews who voted for, and elected, the muslim Baraq Hussein mohammed 0bama who has set the stage for Israel's demise.
FUBO GTFO! 486 Days until Noon Jan 20, 2013
Hopefully you mean Samson Option. I hope there is never another Masada!
“same God of the Holy Bible”, but not the same Israel of the Holy Bible?
Or do you believe, like my aging mother, that today’s secular parliamentry democracy has some similarity to the theocratic monarchy of Saul, David, and Solomon?
Yeah, right on. There's one thing all Israeli’s agree on;
and it's “Never Again”. And, the Israeli’s mean it.
If the Arab hoard appears about to over-run Israeli then
look for Israeli tactical nukes to come out. Then, if
Iran decides to put their nuclear tipped missile on the
launch pad, then look for Isreali strategic missiles come
out. Sooooo, believe it when you hear an Isreali say
“Never Again” cause they sure as hell mean it....
Ignoring the fact that the Church is today’s true Israel, it must be remembered that God’s covenant with Israel and its possession of the land is contingent. Israel lost the land twice in the past. Looking at Israel today, can we honestly say that, given the reality of the high number of secular and non-observant Jews, it is living up to the its side of the Covenant? Presumption about the Covenant lost the Jews the Land of Israel twice before; it can happen again.
I read Psalm 83 and see this scenario.
I believe that this particular Psalm is a prophecy of a pre-trip war against Israel where God preserves them.
You are referencing ‘Replacement Theology’.
I believe this to be a very wrong belief and here is one location that more fully discusses this:
http://www.therefinersfire.org/replacement_theology.htm
But they will NOT fall - read Psalm 83 and tell me if that does not sound like exactly what is occurring now.
I am referring to "Fulfillment Theology". Replacement Theology is a pejorative term that does not reflect traditional Christian teaching on the relationship between Christianity and the Jews. In short, Jews have not been replaced but rather gentiles, as was promised by the prophets, have been grafted on to Israel in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ. Two thousand years ago some Jews accepted Jesus as the promised Messiah and welcomed the gentiles into their community. Other Jews rejected Him and continued to separate themselves from the gentiles. In Jesus Christ the Jews have not been replaced; the Covenant is opened to them in union with all mankind. Jews and gentiles are united in one Covenant with God; there is no separate Covenant for the Jews only.
In any case, it was not my intention to highjack this thread and redirect it to this issue. I just wanted to be honest and state my position as I addressed the the question at hand about what I see as a dangerous presumption that God will alway see Israel victorious and in possession of the land despite its own non-observance of the Covenant.
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