Posted on 09/10/2011 9:08:18 AM PDT by smoothsailing
You are only off by a mere 50%. I have been paying for college for four straight years at two different schools and it is between $15-$18,000.
I like Gov. Perry’s ideas and his grasp of so many government choke points.
EPA
Energy
Education
Lawsuits and Regulations
Balanced budgets
Lower Taxes
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I’ll take a pass on your Perry bashing.
hey, *I* didn’t write the article !!!
Originally, I thought he was referring to an annual cost that seemed mighty steep for a state school. Then decided to look further and run comparables to other state university systems’ flagships. Not a HUGE difference among them.
Still, if Perry can push down the costs AND improve outcomes, and there are lots of ways in this day and age to do that, more power to him! Certainly he’s begun ‘the conversation’ that needs to be held.
I still can’t get over the cost of textbooks. OMG. One son is taking a physics class at a local community college, and I made reference to the textbook costing $100. He could barely stop laughing at me.
You're far too sensitive, you don't mind trashing a man you don't even know, but when you're criticized for it, you think you're being insulted and get you get your nose all out of joint. Talk about telling!
I won't bother you anymore.
Enjoy life.
Carry on, Carry_Okie.
Unfortunately, I am not enamored of his solutions.
I’ll take a pass on your Perry bashing.
"Bashing" now is it? Look, I've explained to you what is wrong about this proposal. I have shown you a superior alternative. In fact, I've been proposing serious alternatives on this forum for over a decade. You have yet to address the content. Instead, simply because you don't take the time to really think about it, you are bashing. Grow up.
A State testing system requires administration. That takes bureaucracy over which the governor would have little direct control when it comes to testing content. Said bureaucracy would then implement the real agenda. If you want to sit there with your soft focus rose colored glasses on while ogling over the pitch and don't want to think about details or consequences, that's your business, but don't get all uppity when somebody points out the obvious.
I don't care who the candidate is. Had Rick Perry proposed something workable toward the expression of liberty, much less truly innovative, I'd have said so. I don't think he will. What my post above shows is how easy it is to fix this mess and yet NO politician wants do it simply because it is removal of State power over student learning while assuring the customer of said product that it WILL meet expectations, something NO political proposal of which I am aware even purports to do. What is truly sad is that you just won't get it.
And I don’t like your tone.
So even though Governor Perry is making some headway, but it's not good enough for you, we should just cast him aside and wait for some perfect savior who has yet to arrive?
Instead of addressing the content, you have to attack me by painting me as unreasonable, shallow, and flippant. Nice job. Stupid, but typical. So, when you get a reply that is, frankly, more polite than yours, you attack it as an insult?
Deal with the content. The reality is that Perry's proposal here is that it proposes more centralized command and control of a system that needs said control devolved to customers. Centralized control is easily subordinated to the Federal Department of Education and thence the UN. What would you do then?
And you’re arrogant to boot!
Never mind accountability.
Really? No, you just don't like your crap handed back to you for what it is. When is smells bad you blame the delivery boy.
Will Rick Perry Unravel the Strange Consensus on Public Education?
Lol, I've been making serious, systemic, and innovative proposals on educational reform since long before Rick Perry came on the national political scene.
Education Policy Components
Education
Education is the most critical issue in California, more serious than even the budget crisis. When Gray Davis first ran for Governor, he promised that Education was to be his highest three priorities, but instead Mr. Davis has shown us what they really were all along: Re-Election, Re-Election, and Re-Election. What were the results? Education spending per student has increased nearly 30%, while classroom performance remains relatively unimproved and at the bottom of a nation producing a third rate primary and secondary education product. The system is broken and the State is nearly bankrupt. So what can we do?
One answer is to free California’s teachers from the overwhelming power of national unions. Teachers should have a choice whether or not to support an often radical political agenda. Unlike Gray Davis, if you elect me Governor of California, I will enforce the law that prohibits unions from requiring campaign contributions in dues payments without teacher’s permission (Beck (487 US 735), 1988).
Second, we must reverse the trend toward large unified school districts that has effectively excluded parents from affecting public school decisions. The purpose of consolidation was supposedly to reduce the cost of overhead through economies of scale and to strengthen the districts’ collective bargaining power, but that isn’t how it has turned out. Instead, district bureaucracies have become enormous and the resulting issues are so complex that parents are pushed aside by an organizational machine controlled by union lawyers.
I plan to assist formation of corporate service associations for school districts so that they can divest operations into smaller, more personalized institutions while retaining the organizational muscle to deal with the unions. Smaller school districts will give parents a stronger voice on district boards over the issues that matter to them. The principle need to make this possible is to develop programs for children with special needs. Here is where can turn to parents for solutions.
Some would argue that parents on local School Boards aren’t qualified to make administrative decisions about public education, especially over programs for children with developmental challenges. So, I’d like to talk about an education success-story that not only proves that argument wrong, it points toward a total transformation in public education.
Home education is enjoying a renaissance in America, and religious freedom isn’t the principle reason. Parents are choosing to home school to assure educational excellence for their children, whose learning habits they know best. A family bond of patience and discipline is a critical factor in student success, especially in a challenging situation. What many people don't know about home-schools is that they have a high percentage of students with genetic, behavioral, and developmental disabilities that had often been poorly served by public institutions. Even with that statistical disadvantage, SAT, ACT, and STAR test scores strongly indicate that home education is producing superior results across the entire spectrum of individual ability.
So parents ARE competent to make choices about their children’s education, and home schools successfully manage nearly every type of specialized educational problem. So what are they doing right that we can apply to public institutions?
As home-educators have grown in number, they have been organizing into loosely knit education cooperatives that point to a new form of public education: a decentralized, customer-oriented network for lifelong learning, using products customized to meet individual interests and abilities. That promises what 21st Century public education could really become: a multi-disciplinary market of customized learning products and services.
We are already starting to see the effects of this change. Software and curriculum companies are finding a growing market of customers committed to gaining competitive advantage. Colleges and universities are offering online degrees because they need superior students to assure productive alumnae. Superior teachers could get rich transmitting their ideas and methods to a mass-market. Where better to develop those products and sell them to the world than California?
We can use private and home education as if they were R&D laboratories developing and testing proven learning tools and services. Public school parents on school boards could then select those products that the State would fund for use in public schools. It is a gradual transformation, from experimenting on our children with untested academic theories, to contracting for innovative tools and methods that have been proven in the marketplace.
All we have to do is let it happen and keep government from regulating new educational methods out of existence. If you elect me Governor, that is what I will do. Federal education dollars aren’t worth the price of Federal control and bureaucratic requirements. Private and home education both leave the State with more money to spend per-child and provide a competitive incentive for public schools to keep their customers.
Together, let’s help California rise from the ashes of a broken system and lead the way once again, into a world of exciting possibilities for our children.
15 posted on Saturday, April 19, 2003 9:34:27 PM by Carry_Okie (California - See how low WE can go!)
This whole harangue of yours reminds me of SOME of the reaction I got when I shot down Dick Pombo's "reform" of the ESA, yet for the most part it was positive because FR was a different place in those days, sigh. Just because the guy is "on our side" does not mean that what he is proposing is a good thing. Like I said on that thread, "If it's broke, don't fix it." They should devolve the powers that got us into the hole in the first place.
Look what happened: George W. got into office and who'da thunk it but he did a deal with TEDDY KENNEDY for No Child Left Alone, er "Behind." Yes indeed, now the DOE has the power to test children to see if their "tolerance education" is up to snuff, nationwide!! Great idea.
So don't get all huffy when I see Perry doing the same things and don't exactly get enamored with the underlying principle: centralized command and control. Somehow, it's been a bad thing for securing the blessings of liberty every time it's been tried, regardless of how pleasing the pitch may have sounded.
So now that you've tried to push the same thing and had it handed back to you, well, thanks for the opportunity to make things clearer. Over time, the far cheaper and far more effective alternatives to increasing state control will become more obvious.
From Austin and now Madison, what will the poor commie profs do? Next thing it’ll be BERKLEY (Not).
Perry did this discreetly, so as not to empower the screamers. Hope it works for Scott.
College reform, Tort reform, nobamacare reform, good ol common sense “get it done” reform is what Perry will bring to FedGov. He’s been good for Texas, but I guess we shouldn’t begrudge our loss for the good of America.
My next question, what will Dewhurst be like as Governor?
That didn't happen, those are your words.
So even though Governor Perry is making some headway, but it's not good enough for you, we should just cast him aside and wait for some perfect savior who has yet to arrive?
Those words, my words, were in the form of a question, not an insult or even an accusation. They required an answer or they required being ignored, throwing a fit about them was uncalled for. Like I said, you're far too sensitive.
The more people learn of this the more his poll numbers will grow.
Well, smooth, I spoke too soon about the PDS coyotes.
Looks like this caryokie is some important biggie, he clams to write speeches and looks likes he’s written a few here for Mutt or RON. Maybe is just an audition and we are just practice.
I asked you once before if you have all these theories and ideas, why don’t you get where you have more clout.
Run for office. Perhaps work with people.
Let’s just cut to the chase.
Who is your preferred candidate right now?
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