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Perry tells NH no to border fence
Yahoo ^ | 9/3/11 | Steve Peoples - ap

Posted on 09/03/2011 1:35:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: NormsRevenge

Funny how both the Romans and the Chinese were able to build walls and defend their boarders, yet it is not technically feasible for us.


381 posted on 09/03/2011 5:44:22 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: babygene

Snipers, okay. But our children live here. We, the people of Texas, decide how we live, not terrorists, not drug runners and not the Feds.


382 posted on 09/03/2011 5:44:25 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.Palin, running?Yes or no?)
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To: NormsRevenge; All

Perry is a traitor to the nation, not fit for dog catcher, much less POTUS.


383 posted on 09/03/2011 5:45:02 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Winstons Julia

We need a wall on the southern border and cameras to keep an eye out for those who dare to climb the wall. Electrified and barbed wire across the top will help to keep the illegals out. The troops will be shot at and have to be replaced and they have to be paid, too. I would rather save their lives so their families will have Moms and Dads. So, it makes more sense to build a wall.


384 posted on 09/03/2011 5:46:27 PM PDT by Buddygirl
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To: muawiyah

See what getting soft on the scofflaws will do?

:^)


385 posted on 09/03/2011 5:46:27 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I like both Perry and Palin, and will vote for whichever of them wins.)
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To: NormsRevenge
>>>>>>"No, I don't support a fence on the border," he said.

Huge problem for Perry. Huge problem for me.

386 posted on 09/03/2011 5:48:11 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: muawiyah

The East Germans nor the West Germans were Texans. We will not have our land and homes taken for “non-contiguous” - useless - fences. “Come and take it!” is more than our history.


387 posted on 09/03/2011 5:48:34 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.Palin, running?Yes or no?)
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To: NormsRevenge

>It would be totally useless.

Tell that to Israel.


388 posted on 09/03/2011 5:49:14 PM PDT by ROTB (Sans Christian revival, we are government slaves, or nuked by China/Russia when we revolt.)
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To: Iron Munro

But he looks so conservative, and has that down-homey speech...


389 posted on 09/03/2011 5:49:17 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: cripplecreek

I suspect Alabama and Oklahoma will be getting more tan sooner...probably Arizona as well!


390 posted on 09/03/2011 5:51:36 PM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: lonestar

That’s funny it works really well in Israel Suicide bombings down 99%!! Yeah I said 99%!! But I guess it wouldn’t work in Texas cause.....Perry don’t want it!!!BS it would work.!!!


391 posted on 09/03/2011 5:52:50 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: wagglebee

I don’t disagree with you. I think people fell for the sell.


392 posted on 09/03/2011 5:53:03 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: xzins; cripplecreek
Just a reminder ~ the Maginot line worked. That forced the Germans to use a different ploy and enter France through Belgium through the previously believed to be inpenetrable Ardennes.

The French seeing no threat from Belgium didn't build the Maginot line through that sector.

Their thinking, like Perry's, imagined that the opponent is stupid and won't just move down the road to cross where you forgot to build a fence.

In any case, the wall was not contiguous and consisted of a number of ouverages (essentially independent fortresses housing thousands of troops) that had overlapping fields of fire that could destroy just about any invader attempting to come their way.

The "line" was superfluous and only a few of the ouverages had to be taken by combat, and then only much later in the war!

Essentially the Maginot Line worked well. France escaped substantial property damage in the Isle de France as a result ~ which was the purpose. Now the coast? That is another question entirely!

393 posted on 09/03/2011 5:53:08 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Steel Wolf
Keep the discussion based on laws and economics. Punish the employers. De-incentivize illegals from coming in the first place. Incentivize them to go home on their own. It's not as quick as rounding them up and throwing them on southbound buses, but it has the advantage of being totally feasible and politically palatable.

The easiest way to solve the illegal immigrant problem is to charge higher income, FICA, and medicare taxes for non citizen workers. Once there is money to be made the government will be ruthless in enforcement. Have you ever seen the IRS decide not to go after money due from an employer?

You don't even really need to identify illegal immigrants - there could be discounted tax rates for people with legal visas, but they should still pay more in taxes.

For example, if the FICA rate for a non-citizen was 15% for the employee and 20% for the employer there would be little reason for employers to hire non-citizens unless there truly were no citizens willing to do the work. For non citizen workers there should be a tax on all income, and it should start at say 25%, and it could include a minimum amount every year.

Illegal immigrants pay thousands of dollars each to get smuggled across the border. It would be better for our government to sell non-citizen work permits for the same kind of price, or better yet make the employers pay the work permit fee. How many employers will want to write that check to the IRS?

Likewise, it is entirely reasonable to have different regulations for non-citizens. Making them pay for health insurance, or auto insurance is not an infringement on their rights, since they don't have a natural right to be in the country in the first place. Many countries have specific regulations for visitors - so should we.

Making the IRS the primary enforcer of immigration law is likely to be way more effective than any fence could ever be.

394 posted on 09/03/2011 5:53:50 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: NormsRevenge

The main idea of this next election is going to be getting the US government back under adult supervision, and the alternative to Perry is unthinkable.


395 posted on 09/03/2011 5:54:04 PM PDT by steveshoveler
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To: LucyT

I heard him say the same thing on levins show the other night.I called BULLFEATHERS then and I do now as well.We put a man on the moon we can build a damn fence all the way to tembuctoo if we have the will and WE do have the will.


396 posted on 09/03/2011 5:54:25 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: MSF BU

What a bigotted thing to say. I’m part American Indian, tan darker than most of my friends whose grandparents were from Mexico.

BTW, Brown eyed people have higher pain threshholds than pale-eyed people.


397 posted on 09/03/2011 5:55:15 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.Palin, running?Yes or no?)
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To: hocndoc

Then you don’t need a national border. We can redraw that on the North. I’m sure they’d be happy to have it. You and the Mexicans can share eh~!


398 posted on 09/03/2011 5:59:31 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Winstons Julia

Land mines, artillery practice, target practice, sniper training - all of this.


399 posted on 09/03/2011 6:00:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: RichardW

So who says Perry is the only one we can vote for? When did he get picked and everyone else drop out?


400 posted on 09/03/2011 6:02:16 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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