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Rick Perry: Illegal Immigrants Who Serve In The Military Deserve Citizenship
TPM ^ | August 20, 2011 | Evan McMorris-Santoro

Posted on 08/20/2011 1:32:05 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Vevey
I think you’re projecting.

Do you know what projection means? It means to attribute your own feelings or attitudes onto others. Ajnin stated that illegal aliens have no allegiance to the nation and have contempt for our cultures, our sovereignty and the rule of law. You accused him of projecting. He is a U.S. citizen and has served in the military. Thus, your statement about him projecting was ridiculous.

361 posted on 08/21/2011 12:35:43 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy
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To: dennisw

Giuliani could probably beat Obama as well, does that mean that conservatives should support Giuliani? I wouldn’t.


362 posted on 08/21/2011 12:43:22 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy
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To: Vevey
By your logic 17 year olds who lied about their age to enlist in WWII are criminals.

They broke the rules, but no one could argue that their motivations were anything but pure. Same for the 15 year old. Let’s assume for sake of argument there was no lying involved. How you ask? Well what if a kid is brought here @ 3, provided documents by his parents, and honestly believes he’s a citizen. At 18, with a HS diploma he enlists in the military using the documents provided by his parents and accepted by the government. He serves. Let’s add he wins medals of valor. Perhaps is wounded in the line of duty. At some point, it’s learned that he gained entry into the United States unlawfully. What would be the American way to treat him? BTW, I’m with you on excluding liars from expedited citizenship.

This sounds like it was taken right out of a La Raza discussion forum. How many illegal immigrants (even those who were brought here when they were 3) harbor the mistaken belief that they are U.S. citizens? 5? 10? The chances of what you're describing (the perfect storm, basically) is so unlikely that if it did occur, it could be turned into a made-for-TV movie. But I'll play with your hypothetical, just to amuse you. Yes, in those circumstances, I'd support giving the guy a green card, if you can prove that he genuinely didn't realize that he wasn't a U.S. citizen, and he served in combat.

363 posted on 08/21/2011 12:51:56 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy
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To: proudtobeanamerican1

Thanks. I figured the “news” would become more fully fleshed out after the headlines.


364 posted on 08/21/2011 1:26:00 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Ajnin

And this is why we want a conservative ascendancy NOT the same old, same old Marxist socialist programs that draw people, then trap and enlist them into the class warfare, “vote into my pocket” human rights army that the Left has been building.


365 posted on 08/21/2011 1:30:00 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: DrewsMum

THey have a questionaire, and it counts against you to have been homeschooled and not been in a “social system” context BS of bending over for everything.

REsult is the ranks are filling with a bunch of antisocial putz who get butt hurt at every legit promotion another is getting. Jealousy is a big problem now in the military... and f@gs now... sheesh.


366 posted on 08/21/2011 2:34:26 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Texas style dream act for starters. He’s also talking about “immigration reform” which is code for amnesty. Who is kidding whom.


367 posted on 08/21/2011 2:59:31 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I’m well aware what the 10th amendment is. So, you are guaranteeing that the illegals in texas getting a citizen’s education on the tapayer dime are going to stay in Texas, right? Also, any anchor babies they have will stay in Texas and never suck down a single, solitary federal dollar, right? No? Didn’t think so.
Next.


368 posted on 08/21/2011 3:05:52 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: tcrlaf

Illegal immigration should not be tolerated under any circumstances and should never, ever be rewarded.


369 posted on 08/21/2011 3:08:14 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: ScreamingFist

I’ll say it again. Never allow illegals into the military and never reward illegals for anything.


370 posted on 08/21/2011 3:16:45 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
...Who is kidding whom...

Perry certainly isn't kidding. He's dead serious about fixing this mess that the Feds have wrought on the states.

371 posted on 08/21/2011 3:25:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Vevey

“noob” is a put down. It’s a derivitive of “newbie” I’m guessing. It’s what freepers who have been on here longer than you toss out when their argument stinks.


372 posted on 08/21/2011 3:29:39 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

Conceded my example is likely the exception not the rule. But at least we now have a point of agreement; specifically, it is not the status of the immigrant that is relevant rather it is the immigrants cognizance of that status. So the next step—and one where we disagree—is what to do with illegal/undocumented immigrants who grew up in the U.S., did no wrong other than existing here, and who sees him/herself as an unhyphanted American. Here I agree with the Perry position. Please don’t call me names.


373 posted on 08/21/2011 3:30:01 AM PDT by Vevey
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Too true and quite a few RINOs, as well.


374 posted on 08/21/2011 3:32:33 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All

Welcome to Wonderland, Alice.


375 posted on 08/21/2011 3:33:45 AM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

LOL!


376 posted on 08/21/2011 3:43:17 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Zhang Fei

Yeah, that worked out so well for Rome.


377 posted on 08/21/2011 3:49:01 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Genyous
That would be pretty tough for them to do, considering a Social Security number is required to register. Has any illegal alien ever actually been prosecuted for not registering?
378 posted on 08/21/2011 4:23:09 AM PDT by icanhasbailout (Some people would believe Karl Marx was conservative if he had good hair and ran on the GOP ticket)
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To: Scotsman will be Free; Vevey
“noob” is a put down. It’s a derivitive of “newbie” I’m guessing. It’s what freepers who have been on here longer than you toss out when their argument stinks.

I have noticed that already too. That word communicates to me that the other person is out of logic and arguments and hasn't the humility to reconsider the validity of their own points in light of new information being supplied to them.

379 posted on 08/21/2011 4:25:04 AM PDT by icanhasbailout (Some people would believe Karl Marx was conservative if he had good hair and ran on the GOP ticket)
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To: Vevey
Conceded my example is likely the exception not the rule. But at least we now have a point of agreement; specifically, it is not the status of the immigrant that is relevant rather it is the immigrants cognizance of that status. So the next step—and one where we disagree—is what to do with illegal/undocumented immigrants who grew up in the U.S., did no wrong other than existing here, and who sees him/herself as an unhyphanted American. Here I agree with the Perry position. Please don’t call me names.

99.9% of all illegals present in this country know that they are here illegally. I'd be content with having the 99.9% that know they are here illegally leaving, with the remaining 0.1% allowed to stay. That means we'd go from 12 million to 12,000. I can live with that. I don't think you can, however.

What names did I call you? Methinks thou doth protest too much.

380 posted on 08/21/2011 4:25:44 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy
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