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What Will Stop the Drop? (NY Slimes Finally Admits Recession Never Ended)
The NY Slimes ^ | 8 Aug 2011 | Floyd Norris

Posted on 08/09/2011 3:52:43 AM PDT by SkyPilot

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To: pieceofthepuzzle
“It has also become clear that, despite good intentions and great effort, the current iteration of the new health care law is flawed and has required my administration to grant multiple waivers to various groups to avoid economic hardship. It is also clear that it will not save money sufficiently. I am asking Congress to revise this legislation substantially in a manner that strongly promotes market place competition, preserves our world-class medical, biomedical, device development, and pharmaceutical industries and provides each American with the lowest cost highest quality care possible. I pledge to the American people that the changes made will improve your care options, decrease costs, address preexisting conditions, emphasize your personal choice, and be private sector based.”

You were doing pretty good until you got to this part. Obamacare needs to be repealed, not revised. America, or any other country, doesn't need socialized medicine, in any form. It always leads to ruin, just like the rest of the communist system.

21 posted on 08/09/2011 4:55:39 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Neidermeyer

***... the time to let the corrupt banks fail was in 2008 , we should have had 10 Lehmans...***

Thank the democrats for that. Bush tried 14 (that’s FOURTEEN) times to get oversight on Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. Congress refused it. The “corrupt banks” (and many of them were) were forced to give mortgages to those who could not pay for them, some even had no down payment. The fines for banks to refuse such mortgage loans were high. But as long as Fannie and Freddy (both Democrat institutions‚) were willing to pay the banks when the loans went bad, the banks mortgaged OUR futures. Some banks did even worse, paying assessors to raise the value of the property for mortgage loans. I agree with you that SOME banks were corrupt, but Congress tied Bush’s hands.


22 posted on 08/09/2011 4:56:25 AM PDT by kitkat (Obama: Rope and chains.)
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To: Pollster1

In Michigan, I would hazard that nearly every longterm welfare family has at least one child on SSI for the extra $687. a month starting at birth. It bolsters welfare money but not from the Michigan state coffers.


23 posted on 08/09/2011 5:05:10 AM PDT by healy61
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To: Ernie Kaputnik
The liberals may be trying to set up a narrative wherein no “Double Dip” recession ever occurred as this would be a formidable weapon in the upcoming election.
24 posted on 08/09/2011 5:10:38 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Thanks to the Change there is no Hope!)
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To: SkyPilot
Look at the revenue pie chart: If you DOUBLE the income tax that EVERYONE actually pays, the deficit would still be nearly half a trillion dollars. There is a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

"What will stop the drop"? November 6, 2012

25 posted on 08/09/2011 5:25:43 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: SkyPilot
Here's what I recommend to stop the slide right now:

1. Heed the advice of the Bowles-Simpson report on reducing national debt and craft legislation to follow its recommendations. I would include passing the One Percent Spending Reduction Act of 2011 (H.R. 1848/S. 1316) to really start to curb government spending.

2. Overhaul the income tax system to reduce compliance costs, lower the maximum tax rate, phase out obsolete and unneeded tax loopholes, and make encourage more savings and investment in the USA. In short, the Forbes no-loophole flat-rate income tax plan should be something may want to use starting the 2012 tax year.

26 posted on 08/09/2011 5:46:03 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: SkyPilot

Sure it ended. It did.

Now this is Obama’s recession.
Can’t blame Bush. So the left can’t let that happen. So claim now, we never left the recession, so Obama can still blame Bush...

Obama’s recession.

Obama’s downgradeS.


27 posted on 08/09/2011 5:54:32 AM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: org.whodat
Welfare and medical programs on illegals are bleeding this country dry. No one wants to deal with it. How many illegals babies will you pay to have delivered this month. And then there is all the place holder affirmative action do nothing jobs in the government. Dang!

Thank you.

Using the outdated number of 13 milllion illegals, FairUS calculate the net annual cost of illegals at $113 Billion. Using a more realistic, but still very conservative number of 30 million illegal the annual cost cost is $283 billion.

This is without counting all the freebies to brand new immigrants and their extended families.

Then there is Medicare/Medicaid fraud. Zero refused IBM's offer of free programming enhancements to catch the estimated 900 billion fraud per year. Programming that could have easily been built into the system without affecting timely payments!

Haven't even touched the cost of the EPA, HUD, etc!

Yet none of the political elite have even mentioned these items.
28 posted on 08/09/2011 6:31:33 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: LibLieSlayer
The deficit is not the 900 lb Gorilla... what will you do about the debt we owe... how do you pay off a debt so LARGE... that if our Congress NEVER spent another penny starting today... and paid back 100 million dollars a day... every single day... without ever spending another dime... it would take 389 years to pay off the debt... how will you do that? It is the debt that is killing us... the deficit is just the rate at which we are expanding that debt.

Obviously we have to pay it off faster than $100M a day. In other words, as the economy expands (which it will do rapidly once Obama is no longer in power), don't expand the government. I'd like to pay off $500B a year once tax revenues expand to that level due to growth, at which rate it would still take about 30 years to pay off the entire debt (a little less because interest expense would drop over time). After that, cut taxes and never again borrow for the federal budget.

The alternative is to default on the debt. A decade ago, I would have said that is immoral, and I'm still squeamish about that idea, but much less so than I used to be. Those who loan money to an irresponsible and out of control federal juggernaut know that they are betting on an unsustainable system. I'm not entirely sympathetic if they lose that bet. We're not yet at the point where I completely approve of default, but I sure hope the lenders are getting worried. Even if that raises our interest rate, it's worth the price if the higher rates limit the amount of debt that reckless, power-hungry members of the ruling class can impose on our children. I have as little sympathy for Pelosi, Reid, and Obama as I do for any other child abusers, i.e., none.

29 posted on 08/09/2011 8:46:34 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Pollster1

You pretty much are on top of the situation... well done.

LLS


30 posted on 08/09/2011 9:29:59 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: calex59
“You were doing pretty good until you got to this part. Obamacare needs to be repealed, not revised.”

I agree, but I was trying to make statements that weren't entirely off the radar of what Obama would ever say. In reality, it was all off the radar of what Obama would say.

As a doctor, and as an American, I do believe that something has to be done to address the amount of federal expenditures into Health and Human Services each year. Socialized medicine would be a disaster, economically and otherwise.

The solution should include, in my opinion, an emphasis on lower cost catastrophic health insurance. Most people can afford to pay for a standard primary care visit, or to have their child's ears looked at. Most people cannot, however, afford to pay for extended hospital stays, advanced imaging, and procedures, etc. There's no way to make many of these affordable. There's too much advanced technology and personnel involved (e.g. Imaging equipment that costs millions of dollars to buy and to maintain, 24 x 7 critical care nursing and hospital laboratory services etc.). Insurance companies should be competing nationally to see who can offer the best and cheapest catastrophic care plans. Health Savings Accounts should also be supported. Making the government the middle-man in health care will ultimately increase costs and deliver less.

31 posted on 08/09/2011 11:39:10 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Obama and his stooges can't understand why they are overdrawn.

They still have checks in their checkbooks.

That's it in a nutshell. They have the Treasury's printing press, so they can't run out of dollars. But they can run out of money, if people don't believe in the scarcity - hence the value - of the dollar.

32 posted on 08/09/2011 1:30:50 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority; Pollster1
75% of Greece's economy is underground (the shadow economy). This is happening in the US.... we are FREE Citizens, not 'slaves' to other people! Voluntary charity is vital, and key to a civil community -- but WE, EACH PERSON, decides how much to give, and to whom - this is NOT for the Govt, not another party ("coalition" of voters) to decide BY FORCE - we are turning into a modern Slave State, right before our eyes...
33 posted on 08/09/2011 3:02:53 PM PDT by 4Liberty (88% of Americans are NON-UNION. We value honest, peaceful Free trade-NOT protectionist CARTELS)
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