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F-35B: Marvel or Edsel with wings?
Politico ^ | August 3, 2011 | Charles Hoskinson

Posted on 08/04/2011 9:02:14 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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Each F-35B costs $150 million, compared with $24 million for a Harrier. | Charles Hoskinson/POLITICO

1 posted on 08/04/2011 9:02:15 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The Harrier can't go supersonic. The Harrier is old the design goes back to the mid-60's. Even the British are retiring it. The Harrier has the highest accident rate of all US military aircraft.

The Harrier and F-35B are mission unique aircraft. They enable organic air support without the use of super carriers and their attending battle groups. The F-35 is more survivable for the pilot. You could buy 10 F-35s for what the state of Arizona alone spends on illegal aliens.

2 posted on 08/04/2011 9:09:51 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: sukhoi-30mki
unprecedented new twist: It can take off and land like a helicopter.

Uprecedented? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


3 posted on 08/04/2011 9:11:53 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Repubs and Dems are arguing whether to pour 9 or 10 buckets of gasoline on a burning house.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It’s very pricey, but won’t you be able to at least save some money by not having to build the larger aircraft carriers necessary to handle conventional aircraft? Or perhaps it is expecting too much to have an aircraft that has STOL capability and is stealthy as well?


4 posted on 08/04/2011 9:15:17 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’m pretty sure than the F-35B is quite a bit faster than an Edsel.


5 posted on 08/04/2011 9:21:02 AM PDT by RexBeach (Mr. Obama can't count.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Buy more F22’s. =.=


6 posted on 08/04/2011 9:23:45 AM PDT by cranked
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To: pfflier

You own alot of Lackheed-Martin stock?


7 posted on 08/04/2011 9:26:26 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: smokingfrog

I think that we will always need the carriers. How else would we transport hundreds of these planes to a conflict area?


8 posted on 08/04/2011 9:28:14 AM PDT by RC2
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To: US Navy Vet
You own alot of Lackheed-Martin stock?

None. But I do live with the Harriers in Yuma.

9 posted on 08/04/2011 9:30:24 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The author has his numbers hosed-up (imagine that).

The cost of the AV-8B was over $30 million per and the Harrier Re-Manufacturing program ("ReMan" which was done in the 90's) added approximately $33 million to the cost of each aircraft.

10 posted on 08/04/2011 9:30:36 AM PDT by paddles ("The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." Tacitus)
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As did I on may last ship(USS New Orleans LPH-11).


11 posted on 08/04/2011 9:36:10 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: magslinger

ping


12 posted on 08/04/2011 9:39:40 AM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: pfflier
Even the British are retiring have retired it.
13 posted on 08/04/2011 9:41:15 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: RC2
I think that we will always need the carriers. How else would we transport hundreds of these planes to a conflict area?

1) Build shipping containers big enough to hold an F-35, and which have top doors.

2) Load the F-35s in their containers onto cargo ships.

3) At destination, open the top doors, let F-35 fly out under its own power.

4) Push empty containers over the side. Underneath are containers with fuel, ammo, and parts.

Alternately, every destroyer with a helicopter hanger could accommodate an F-35.

14 posted on 08/04/2011 9:41:31 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: paddles

Also back in the 80s a new F-16 was about $20M, you’d pay almost 4 times that today.


15 posted on 08/04/2011 9:41:38 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The unit cost depends greatly on production cost. The less of them is produced, the more it costs.

This is basicaly what you get when the government makes bad promises, you can change the cost of the product by a single vote.

Also, given the debt ballooning today, this price is a drop in the bucket as of this writing. The true embarassment as a result is the inflation. The more we delay the more it will cost and the more the company will ask delivery delays to offset inflation.

So, again, this aircraft, imo, as of this writing, has never been cheaper.


16 posted on 08/04/2011 9:49:35 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: PapaBear3625

Do you realize how easy it is to sink a cargo ship? Not only that, you will need the same crews to maintain the ship as well as the planes. Then what do you do about maintenance, re-arming, etc?


17 posted on 08/04/2011 9:54:43 AM PDT by RC2
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To: pfflier

Harrier=Nugget Killer.


18 posted on 08/04/2011 9:57:24 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I'm a mile north of where they are built/tested. I hear them regularly. Generally, they do a straight in while the chase plane/planes do a high-key and oval and then land.

They sound weird and look weird. Living where I do, I've heard everything from the Hustler to B-52s to aluminum overcast. And phantoms. Lots of F-4 phantoms. And that's what it reminds me of... An F-4. Looks weird, sounds weird, some pilots love it.

Meh....

Give it to the Marines. If anybody can hack a weapons system out of that committee designed AC, Marines can do it.

/johnny

19 posted on 08/04/2011 9:58:02 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: RexBeach

Better looking too.


20 posted on 08/04/2011 9:58:10 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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