Federal appeals court: Saying “Jesus” during public prayer is unconstitutional

The Washington Examiner ^ | July 30, 2011 | Ken Klukowsky

[yldstrk]

nonsense

[FlyVet]

Then I guess we won't hear the Muslim call to prayer emanating into the public space in Dearborn any more, will we?

Oh, wait, I forgot.

Allah = Okay

Jesus = Not Okay

[GeronL]

Nobody is going to abide by this ruling. It’s blatantly wrong.

[Longbow1969]

Writing for the majority, Judge Harvie Wilkinson - a respected appellate judge who was appointed by President Reagan

This is why Republican presidents and state governors MUST appoint the most pure constitutionally conservative judges as possible. You can almost always count on judges to shift to the left as they live out their lifetime terms on the bench. Judges far too often live in ivory towers and lose touch with reality, so it is vital that from the outset they are unquestionably conservative in their judicial approach.

[Polybius]

Federal appeals court: Saying “Jesus” during public prayer is unconstitutional As in most counties in America, the Board of Commissioners of Forsyth County, North Carolina, begins its public meetings with an invocation. These prayers are given by local religious leaders on a first-come, first-serve basis.

REQUIRING the saying of "Jesus" in a public prayer is unconstitutional as such an action violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

PROHIBITING the saying of "Jesus" in a public prayer is unconstitutional as such an action violates both the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment.

This ruling needs to be appealed all the way to SCOTUS.

[upchuck]

North Carolina ping.

[mamelukesabre]

I don’t see how it could be unconstitutional, but it isn’t very polite to pray using specific names when multiple religions are present. Its pretty standard practice to use a generic prayer when multiple religions are present.

[Kevmo]

I need to find the image of George Washington just saying, “WTF?”

[Kaslin]

No one should

[PDGearhead]

And what is the penalty for saying “Jesus”? Go to jail? Pay a fine?

People should do what they want and ignore these idiots just like the students did at their commmencement speaches.

[boop]

Unless they are beating people with a cane, nobody is “forced” to say “Jesus” in these prayers. And BTW, what is it about the name “Jesus” that scares the crap out of non-believers? I don’t care if I hear “Allah” in public, because it means nothing to me.

[Psalm 144]

When the Soviet Union imploded from bankruptcy, the Russians rejoiced in the streets.

Sic semper tyrannis, always and everywhere.

[Mr. Wright]

Allah is just fine . . . Jesus, sorry you cannot say that name. This government is disgusting . . . and more Judges will be put on the bench with this kind of thinking in 2013.
Hussein Obama can not wait to fill the courts with his anti-Christian judges.

[Don Corleone]

And BTW, what is it about the name “Jesus” that scares the crap out of non-believers?

JESUS, pronounced (HEY ZEUS) is a common and revered name in Spanish speaking nations. These Judges are just revealing their Marxist roots and beliefs.

[Olog-hai]

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it isn’t very polite to pray using specific names when multiple religions are present

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Polite? We have religious freedom here. This isn't the USSR or a country with a state religion.

[Psalm 144]

People should do what they want and ignore these idiots just like the students did at their commencement speeches.

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Yes. Dictators who are ignored are former dictators. They can leave quietly, like Gorbachev or Honecker, or they can contest the issue and be ‘kinetically’ removed like Mussolini or Ceausescu. Either way, a dictator who cannot command obedience is no longer a power.

[Iron Munro]

This tyrannical idiocy is out of hand.

Anytime a judge makes a ruling like this they should have to cite a clear, understandable, unequivocal constitutional basis for their decision.

Which would be a good trick.

[Graybeard58]

If they aren't going to pray. "in Jesus' name", they may as well recite, "Mary had a little lamb".

[mlocher]

In a stunning decision, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit affirmed that judgment in a 2-to-1 decision, holding in the case Joyner v. Forsyth County that prayers unconstitutionally advance Christianity if references to Jesus are more than isolated, or if the content is otherwise too Christian for the court’s taste.

The court wants to be the Christianity police?

Let's hope that Jesus Gonzalez does not get mentioned in a public prayer.....