Posted on 07/18/2011 10:48:30 AM PDT by smoothsailing
I agree. But I would also like anchor baby denial for the same reason.
Really,
They are still getting them as far as i can see.
On Immigration; (It’s Reuters, not Huffington Post)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/07/rick-perry-illegal-immigration_n_872872.html
On Obamacare:
Amnesty:
You Sir, echo my sentiments...
Considering that a person is a citizen of the United States, and that the conditions of citizenship are set at the national, not state level, immigration policy is also thus a federal matter.
Hence you are completely and utterly wrong.
You have given one example, and it wasn’t even relevant since it is a federal matter, not a state one.
Beyond that all you have is fuzzy allegations which you do nothing to substantiate. Perry has a solid conservative track record as governor. He is admittedly not perfect, but nobody is.
Let’s be honest here, immigration is not the only conservative issue, and differing on that one issue does not make one a RINO (not that you’ve made such a case effectively against Perry).
>But I would also like anchor baby denial for the same reason.
Indeed, having children here is currently like a free pass to the buffet. Something really ought to be done to resolve that. Switzerland, for example, has very strict conditions for someone to become a citizen. Being born there doesn’t cut it. You have to go well beyond that. It certainly hasn’t hurt them.
Now if we had an ideal world in which government freebies didn’t exist, I wouldn’t have much of a beef with immigration of almost any form. If people came and could hack it, more power to them. However people crossing borders to turn a safety net into a hammock doesn’t cut the mustard and is certainly not sustainable.
>We have to have a leader that will encourage them to return to their home countries and FIX THEM.
I can certainly sympathize with this idea. Though I can’t really say I’ve seen any candidate currently in the field likely to take a sufficiently hard line to accomplish this. None of them with an actual track record in power have at the least (former governors).
Drill, baby, drill! (I hope)
Look, get over it. You have one less voter for Rick Perry.
Do you live in Houston? I do. Tell me immigration is not important?
Did I say immigration wasn’t important? What I did say is that it’s not the only issue out there, and one issue does not a RINO make. You can certainly express dislike for him, and that is completely valid. You can opt to think him a bad candidate based on a single issue. That’s valid as well.
However labeling him a RINO because he’s not perfect on one issue is utter nonsense.
I’ll give my counter example. I like Christie. However since he’s got a lousy attitude on guns, I would not favor him as a candidate. He is not, however, a RINO. Just because I don’t like someone they do not magically become a RINO. Someone like Susan Collins of Maine, now that’s a RINO. If they vote with the caucus is probably an accident.
All I see is cherry picking on your part. No proof.
LOL What an example. If they vote with the caucus. Well, Christie and Perry don’t have to vote with the caucus in the sane way Collins does.
>All I see is cherry picking on your part. No proof.
It appears you need to be appraised of the fundamentals of debate.
The way it works is if you make an assertion, you need to prove it. The assertion in question here is that “Perry is a RINO”. I’ve seen nothing that comes even close to making that point. You’ve asserted that he’s lousy on immigration, which may or not be true (you don’t bother with evidence apparently). Even if you were capable of proving that point, it would not make him a RINO.
What exactly have I asserted? I’ve said Perry has experience as a governor. Well that’s a pretty clear fact as he’s been in office for over ten years.
I’ve said he seems to be a conservative, but I’m willing to be convinced otherwise. Not much of an assertion, but it is based on statements I have seen by him and about him in the press. Others have provided links to backup that assertion.
I suppose I have asserted that border security and immigration are federal matters, but anyone can peruse the relevant laws and see I’m correct there. If I need to cite the federal register, I’ll go look it up, but it’s like be needing to prove that the sky is blue. Everyone knows it.
So what cherry picking have I engaged in exactly? What precisely remains for me to prove? Please, explain. I’ve yet to see anything compelling from you at all beyond tossing around an inappropriate label to denigrate Perry and unsubstantiated assertions.
Look, you have proved nothing. I will not vote for Perry because he is a RINO.
I went with the easiest example. There’s plenty enough of others. Castle in Maryland, Snowe from Maine, Specter from PA (when he was still in the GOP) are(were) all clearly RINOs.
You can even make a case for McCain considering the way he backstabs the party and deals with Democrats all the time.
However I have seen nothing which puts Perry at even the level of McCain, much less the definite RINOs.
You really are a broken record. I’ve got it that you’re not going to vote for him. That’s pretty obvious. The claim of RINO is getting pretty old though.
Your lecturing is getting pretty old too.
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