Posted on 07/02/2011 6:14:27 AM PDT by ex-Texan
The Germans learned about microwave radar from an antisubmarine patrol aircraft that was shot down and crashed in Holland. They copied it, developed countermeasures including threat warning receivers and stealth coatings for U-boats and sent the technology to the Japanese. Berlin had microwave radar by 1944, as did Japan. The Germans also copied and improved upon American bazookas captured in North Africa to develop the Panzerschreck.
The U.S. had radar fused field artillery, but withheld it from combat until the Battle of the Bulge for fear the Germans would copy it. Some German infantry units mutinied after being exposed to it. Patton thought it should be outlawed, or would make war impossible.
One of the things that we have done very well with is our submarines fleet. We build good subs. Sure the Russkies had bigger ones, and more expensive ones like the all titanium Akulas, and some countries have made some very advanced propulsion systems without using nuclear power. But subs are a far more greater tactical asset than carriers.
To me the carrier is just a big chest thumper, the “Great White Fleet” of the olden days.
The real advantages to getting to a target are by underwater stealth. Or getting close enough offshore that the target has almost no time for defenses.
I just do not see aircraft carriers in the future, not on oceans at least, in space yes.
This is you speaking: "It would be OK with me if the ChiCom Navy had 12 CVBG's and the USN had none. This situation would be smart because those Red flattops are just sittin' ducks."
I have said that repeatedly, and been told in here that the Navy has it well under control. That’s BS, but what is confusing is that China is now putting together an Aircraft Carrier. They have to know we can take it out.
I kind of agree with you, but unless our government changes I can't see it happening we can't get anything built anymore in a decent time frame with out a lot of red tape, and cost.
Having been one of the “behind the green door guys” I’m not really impressed by your son in law’s comment.
Ibeliee we will always need Carriers. but smaller Carrier’s in greater numbers.
6,000 men and 100 planes is a huge target, and one that is expensive to lose in human terms.
All the more reasons to shut the door on the flood of Chines crap and rebuild the industries in America.
And I for one would gladly build internment camps solely for liberal tree huggers that would die trying to save some smelt or frog instead of saving a steel mill in America.
Just look at the fiasco with the replacement Bay Bridge, you guessed it, Made in China.
China could if they wished build a fleet of carriers, I often wonder why they do not, do they themselves accept the eventuality that they cannot build them good enough to even float? Much less to have the latest catapult and arresting gear?
I believe they are smart enough that they will never build anything even close to what America has. Sure they can buy an old Russian ramp deck, but a super carrier? They know it would be too big of a drain of their resources though arguably they can build BIG projects. They just do not have the higher spec steels for it.
100 or more mini carriers each with 6,000 ROV aircraft is an excellent objective to attain.
Bent Bills Chinese Military!
“Before any anti-ship missile can be fired, it has to be pointed in the general direction of the target. China is sorely lacking in the general ocean surveillance category. A carrier may be a big ship, but it is a far bigger ocean.”
Not only that, but the missile’s terminal guidance has to acquire the target (carrier)on final descent, when it only has a few seconds of flight maneuver left. The carrier is moving, and the missile has very few adjustments it can make, and that is assuming it has acquired the target — no easy feat. If acquisition is based on a visual algorithm, they had better hope they can see the carrier when the visual port takes its first look. I feel certain they are not using radar acquisition — you couldn’t put a powerful enough radar in the missile seeker to accomplish this task. The Russians used to use a small nuclear reactor in their ocean recon satellites to power the search radar....
That’s called a cruise missile, and we already have some very successful versions of that, and subs to launch ‘em.
Though I missed my opportunity to be in the navy when I was younger I am well aware that there is a lot not known and kept very well hidden about our underwater assets, From SOSUS all the way across to rumored biological trained assets with stealth nuke-mines.
And I will always have faith that no matter what another country may build...we can sink it.
“a shift in the strategic balance between ourselves and China was inevitable”
Bullshit. Sheer, unmitigated Bullshit. China knows that their window of action is now, or never.
Updated numbers show that 2012 will be the last year for Chinese workforce expansion. 2013 will have their workforce declining.
I expect there to be a shooting war between China and the US sometime before Obama leaves office.
Where did I say that. My point exactly was our carriers are about tactical air power at sea. When we get to an all out strategic war, their role is different.
Every piece of military hardware is a target.
I think that the Chinese or anywone else will put a priority on our carriers before spending a lot of time worrying about the slingshot in your pocket.
The whole point about our relationship with China is 7,000 miles of pacific ocean. The Chinese are just as concerned about our using our carriers to wander over to their side as we would be were the Chinese to wander over to our side.
The bigger strategic picture is that we are going bankrupt trying to police the world and we are making a lot of enemies doing so. We need to face up to the fact that as wealthy as we are and as populous as we are, there are a lot more people, a lot more problems and a lot more economic resources that we do not control. The dominance of American power from the Great White Fleet to the end of the Cold War was an exceptional situation in the world, and a trend that was bound to reverse itself. Let's worry about us and our own problens for a while and stop worrying about everyone else's.
Its a painful admission to make but a shooting war would serve in the best interest for America as it would practically stop the flood of cheap Chinese merchandize into our country, and after a struggling amount of time and with “proper” leadership America can once again regain its “Made in the USA” status.
China is like a drug dealer. And consumers in America are the addicts. And the liberal democratic party is the dealers.
You’re cool with the US having no, zero, zip, zilch, nada CVBG in the near future, right? IYO we’d be better of getting rid of them. You have no idea how foolish all of the anti-carrier talk is.
On this we agree! I would prefer the fight to be in their backyard not ours. Hence my love affair with the CVBG.
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