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Guest Post: How Much Would It Cost To Buy Congress Back From Special Interests?
zero hedge ^ | 6/30/11 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 06/30/2011 11:27:07 AM PDT by Nachum

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1 posted on 06/30/2011 11:27:11 AM PDT by Nachum
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It’s going to take a civil war.


2 posted on 06/30/2011 11:29:56 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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The price of enough rope to hang them all.


3 posted on 06/30/2011 11:31:49 AM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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Very interesting post. Something to think about.


4 posted on 06/30/2011 11:32:08 AM PDT by TrumpisRight (President Palin sounds so good....)
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“The price of enough rope to hang them all.”

You beat me to it.


5 posted on 06/30/2011 11:36:11 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberals who graduate from Ivy League schools are the dumbest people on the planet.)
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The price is actually free. All you have to do is make it known that if a Senator or Representative is going to be bought out by special interests, that you will be voting against them, come election time. If their replacement allows themselves to be bribed by special interests, then they get the boot. Eventually you will find somebody who is more focused on the business of the people than on winning their next election or carrying out the wishes of their large donors.


6 posted on 06/30/2011 11:40:00 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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Great minds think alike, and all that jazz.


7 posted on 06/30/2011 11:43:12 AM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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The problem with this, is that each voter is a member of at least a dozen ‘special interests’.

That is the reason why things are the way they are.


8 posted on 06/30/2011 11:43:48 AM PDT by proxy_user
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Will that actually work since Citizens United? Anonymous campaign ads by unrelated organizations ‘without the candidate’s consent’ and all...

I don’t think there’s any easy solution. Public financing only of campaigns isn’t pretty either, but I’m starting to think it can’t possibly be worse.


9 posted on 06/30/2011 11:44:37 AM PDT by Domalais
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"It’s going to take a civil war."

No it wont.

Step 1: elected officials that betray the public interest simply ought to be dragged out in the street and hung from the streetlights on Pennsylvania Avenue.

Step 2: a constitutional amendment setting term limits must be enacted.

Step 3: if there is difficulty getting the traitorous scum to get the term limit amendment passed...see Step 1.

10 posted on 06/30/2011 11:53:58 AM PDT by skimbell
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Will that actually work since Citizens United? Anonymous campaign ads by unrelated organizations ‘without the candidate’s consent’ and all...

I was talking in individual terms, but would there be anything illegal if somebody ran a campaign that simply states that any politician who allows themselves to be bought out or bribed by special interests/lobbyists is going to be voted out of office. You don't have to name names. Just a blanket statement saying that if you allow yourself to be bribed, you're getting voted out of office.
11 posted on 06/30/2011 11:57:20 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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At a minimum, we should require that all politicians wear uniforms like the NASCAR drivers. Then at least we could see who their corporate sponsors were.


12 posted on 06/30/2011 12:06:58 PM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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The sad, and hard to face, fact is that politicians are corrupt because we have a corrupt electorate.
13 posted on 06/30/2011 12:08:46 PM PDT by Prokopton
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How Much Would It Cost To Buy Congress Back From Special Interests?

Not more than $0.34 each (based on $16.99 per box of 50 rounds of 45ACP 230gr lead). I'm sure lower prices can be found.

14 posted on 06/30/2011 12:14:07 PM PDT by cayuga (The next Crusade will be a war of annihilation.)
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What I’m saying is that I think that ruling allows politicians to be bought in such a roundabout way that there’s no way to really pin it on them.


15 posted on 06/30/2011 12:19:16 PM PDT by Domalais
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What I’m saying is that I think that ruling allows politicians to be bought in such a roundabout way that there’s no way to really pin it on them.

We pin it on them by kicking them out of office. Make them decide who is more important - the voters and taxpayers or the special interests and corporations. The rich and the corporations can spend all they want on lobbying the congress critters, but we are still the ones who vote them in or out of office.
16 posted on 06/30/2011 12:22:53 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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No, no, no! The problem is not lobbyists, it is a huge, poweful government. Many of the lobbyists are there to protec their countries from the sleazy politicians. Remember when Hillary attacked “big pharma” or Wal mart, then suddenly she was given large donations or put on the board of a company and she shut up. Politicians blackmail companies (as do various groups and activists such as Jesse Jackson) into giving them $ and goodies. Congress is like the mafia. You have to buy protection or they will pass laws that harm your business.

“The tremendous inequality in income, wealth, power and opportunity which is distorting and destroying our nation all flow from the inequalities enabled by bribery and tax avoidance. The only way to fix the nation is to eliminate bribery (campaign contributions and lobbying) entirely, and eliminate tax avoidance entirely by eliminating all deductions, exemptions, loopholes, etc. State total income from all sources everywhere on the planet, calculate tax, done.”

This is pure nonsense. I can’t believe Freepers would agree with this. Inequalities are not caused by tax avoidance. This sounds like something Karl Marx would say. Zero hedge is interesting, but it can be disappointing at times. They have their share of people who are consumed with wealth envy.


17 posted on 06/30/2011 1:34:36 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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How about just outlawing lobbying in its entirety?

Give life in a maximum security prison with no parole for offering anything of value including a favor, promise of a job, etc. to a public official or government employee.

And life in a maximum security prison with no parole for any public official or employee who accepts anything of value from anyone who is attempting to influence them or curry favor with them. No exceptions - not even a package of gum or a taxi ride.


18 posted on 06/30/2011 1:53:23 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The more effeminate & debauched the people, the more they are fitted for a tyrannical government.)
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"The price is actually free. All you have to do is make it known that if a Senator or Representative is going to be bought out by special interests, that you will be voting against them, come election time. If their replacement allows themselves to be bribed by special interests, then they get the boot. Eventually you will find somebody who is more focused on the business of the people than on winning their next election or carrying out the wishes of their large donors."

I wish this were true, but I think that's a bit naive. Being 'on-the-take' for even a single term is lucrative enough to make re-election an afterthought. Any competitor would also require financial backing from special interests to compete in terms of media exposure. Reforming political patronage in this country would require an amendment to the constitution, and probably a re-write of several others. I don't see it happening short of either a complete financial collapse or threats of mass secession/civil war.
19 posted on 06/30/2011 1:53:57 PM PDT by CowboyJay
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A bit naive, sure, but what is the alternative? I live in a state where the governor has been bought by a home builder and his views over the years on illegal immigrants reflect it. I look at Congress, and I see companies that have been granted monopolies over TV and internet service in most major cities helping to write legislation or help shape policies that would restrict consumers of those services, and further cripple any chances at free markets. I could go on, but the point is that things will only get worse unless we wake up and start booting out everybody who is bought off by the lobbyists and major donors.


20 posted on 06/30/2011 2:13:36 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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