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'They're destroying my garden,' says man charged with attacking raccoons
Toronto Star ^ | June 1, 2011 | Aleysha Haniff and Valerie Hauch

Posted on 06/04/2011 8:39:31 AM PDT by billorites

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To: Salamander
No offense Sal, I've even had loose horses decimate my garden, twice the same ones too; didn't shoot them either.

They have been poisoning problem critters since time began. I even tried elec fence which didn't work, before I solved the problem with prestone. Only thing is you have to put it out late so local dogs get at it, and pick it up early. Coons are gone after first night, no joke and you enjoy your sweet corn.

Heck the chinese add prestone to dog treats so the dogs enjoy the sweet taste, nobody has got all that upset about them?????

I can't grow sweet corn in Alaska nowadays and no coons. Since I use to keep coon hounds and raised pet coon from bottle when eyes closed, I kinda miss them just the same.

141 posted on 06/04/2011 11:25:15 AM PDT by Eska
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To: billorites

Buy a trap and a high powered air gun...wait until dark to kill it.


142 posted on 06/04/2011 11:28:28 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: MizSterious

Trying to scare them away? Hoping that other raccoons will see and be warned? The oriental mindset is not always the same as the Western one nor does it always make sense.

He should have known better that to do this in a land that cut its teeth on Beatrix Potter’s tail of Peter Cottontail (and farmer McGregor in the tail wanted to make a rather humane use of Peter — for a rabbit pie).


143 posted on 06/04/2011 11:33:02 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: MizSterious

tail -> tale (twice) argh


144 posted on 06/04/2011 11:34:03 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Lazamataz

*snort* [giggles]


145 posted on 06/04/2011 11:35:05 AM PDT by TheOldLady (Freepmail me to get on or off the ZOT Lightning ping list.)
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To: JoeProBono

That looks much like a biathlon rifle.


146 posted on 06/04/2011 11:38:48 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: MizSterious
Kill them, ok, but deliberately torturing them? That’s just sick.

My reaction exactly.
147 posted on 06/04/2011 11:39:15 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Salamander

It is illegal in OHio to trap and then release them somewhere else.I guess it is because we have had problems with them carrying rabies before? Anyway nce trapped here all you have the choce of is killing them.


148 posted on 06/04/2011 11:45:26 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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149 posted on 06/04/2011 11:46:15 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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150 posted on 06/04/2011 11:46:15 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Redcloak
What about if all of your neighbors are brie eating, chardonnay swilling, limousine liberals?

(We're already working on moving)

151 posted on 06/04/2011 11:47:07 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Salamander

Are you sure that is legal? Her ein Ohio if caught releasing a trapped raccoon in another area it is a somethign,like $3000 fine.I assume it is because they carry rabies and by doing that it can spread it further.


152 posted on 06/04/2011 11:48:13 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: JoeProBono
They have a set trigger?

My son's hand-me-down Win 1894 from his G-grandad has one of those. Sensitive.

153 posted on 06/04/2011 11:52:21 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: billorites

No excuse for cruelty, just none. A quick dispatch, yes. That’s coming from someone who has had as many as 3 coons in the house at once (through the cat door) and regularly has to deal with about a dozen critters a year that the cats drag in that are not dead. This year we’ve has one baby possum (inside twice in one night) and about 6 chipmunks, not to mention a mouse and several lizards. The coons seem to have spared us this year so far, but they pestered us for several years. Easy to deal with the small critters but I can’t shoot a big enough gun in the (suburban) house to deal with coons.


154 posted on 06/04/2011 11:55:24 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: SouthTexas

Crossbow is quieter.


155 posted on 06/04/2011 11:55:51 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: momtothree
I fully understand if a person needs to protect their livestock, family etc... from animals. Heck, I posted that I would shoot wolves if I lived in Montana. That being said, there is a humane way vs a cruel way...
Any person that relishes in torturing/inflicting unnecessary pain on an animal is twisted and a POS IMHO.

I notice the conspicuous absence of descriptions of humane ways of dealing with the problem by the critics. Not a single practicable way of doing it "right." Even the live trap and taking them "up the mountain" would probably violate the law if it is more than a mile from where they are found. The ignorant and those ready to make rules for others are as much part of the problem as the critters and the bureaucrats.

I have never and will never kill a wild critter by beating it to death, but I can imagine, certainly more so now, that trying to survive and feed my family by growing things would create a dilemma for me, specially in an urban or suburban environment.
I care enough about my pets to make sure they remain indoor pets. Yes, it's a lot more work and inconvenience, but they live twice as long and are not exposed to injury and disease, and the justified ire of neighbors.
People who allow their pets to roam their neighborhood uncontrolled are the true POSs.

If anyone has more ability to contribute to a solution, and less quick criticism of others, I for one would be grateful. Sanctimony is of little help. Primacy of people and their welfare is the most impotant concern. But the posts I see are emotional, unhelpful, long on heat with a total absence of light.

156 posted on 06/04/2011 12:01:13 PM PDT by Publius6961 (you don't need a president-for-life if you've got a bureaucracy-for-life.)
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To: Salamander

Your Dad did what any good person should have done. At that point, there is no saving the poor animal and to be humane... he stopped the suffering immediately. Once you see something like that (and you can actually smell the poison for whatever reason...) you never forget it. Thanks.


157 posted on 06/04/2011 12:09:25 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: Publius6961

Gee, did you actually read the posts or just being critical of those that said “torturing an animal is wrong”. If you are referring to ME when you wrote “people who allow their pets to roam their neighborhood uncontrolled are the true POS’s” then you are wrong again. My cat was poisoned within the confines of our gated yard. He never left the backyard and my parents found poison of some sort wrapped up in raw hamburger meat. A solution is this: shoot if necessary (and yes, I still stand by what I said about the wolves in Montana), trap when necessary etc... I believe the posts stating slowly drowning a raccoon for fun and amusement being wrong is just.


158 posted on 06/04/2011 12:15:44 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: Publius6961

You’re right.

If a nuisance animal must be killed, fast-acting poison should be used, rather than slow, agonizing death by antifreeze.

A bullet to the head is preferable to raining blows down on some squealing, crying raccoon pup with a shovel and then flatly stating you’re going to leave the injured animal alive to suffer for the damage it has done to your plants.

Get a couple of big dogs. Raccoons and other scavengers do not like big dogs and will stay away.

We moved into a house where large dogs had been kenneled in the back yard. We did not have dogs, but it was three years before we saw our first raccoon, the scent of the former residents having kept them away all that time.

There sure are a lot of alternatives to torturing animals.


159 posted on 06/04/2011 12:20:42 PM PDT by TheOldLady (Freepmail me to get on or off the ZOT Lightning ping list.)
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To: billorites
"charged with cruelty to animals and possessing a dangerous weapon."

Now a SHOVEL is a dangerous weapon and illegal to possess.

There are laws against all kinds of normal behavior. We are ALL criminals, subject to arbitrary enforcement.

160 posted on 06/04/2011 12:21:26 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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