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All four homes in raid tied to Guerena family
Arizona Daily Star ^ | 6/28/2011 | Fernanda Echavarri

Posted on 05/28/2011 1:49:58 AM PDT by petitfour

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To: NormsRevenge

A “bag of marijuana in the stove” is a sizable quantity? They don’t even say how big the bag was.


201 posted on 05/28/2011 10:37:17 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Crim
Mind if I hoist you upon your own petard?
“Murdering the innocent is the highest sacrament in the Holy War on Drugs.”

Well, done!

202 posted on 05/28/2011 10:37:55 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: Steel Wolf

“You mean ‘the alleged’, right? Do you know the difference? Or do you simply think that since the cops shot him, he’s de facto a criminal?”

Sorry, we are not in court, so I’m not bound to use technically precise terms. Also, my statement was about “enough evidence for a judge to ok a warrant...”

“Was that before or after he opened fire on the police?”

It is not uncommon for people to interpret incorrectly when massive gunshots are heard in the fog of a dangerous situation. Do you honestly think that the police officers are out there to do harm and lie?

“I mean, rather than clear the building and apply medical attention to the target, they let the guy bleed out while waiting an hour for the robot to poke his dead body to make sure he’s dead”

Different set of of risk averseness in police versus military. Also, the officers state his body fell through a doorway and he was mostly obscured from their vision.

“My commander (prior to screaming at me to do my damn job) would have laughed himself to tears if I had asked for that in Tikrit.”

Seriously. Thanks for your service. I wonder how many of our strikes in Iraq and Afghan that are labeled as “civillians” are truly civies or just Talis and AQ in garb, hiding by some civies, knowing the PR effect.?

“Paying lip service to freedom and God given rights while cheering on the SWAT for acting like the Internal Security Bureau of some third world banana republic is intellectually dishonest.”

An objective look at our civil rights versus “third worlders” and even Euros, will show our civil rights are still intact and the strongest in the world.

Comparing the US to the Soviets is just not knowing the Soviets.


203 posted on 05/28/2011 10:39:09 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: SeeSac

“I take it that you are for drug legalization?”

Gee...nothing gets by you....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_-dtU_esJ8

I agree with Buckley....do you argee with Rangel?

The war on drugs is a fruitless waste of time, resources and innocent life...

Now trot off and go read a couple years worth of my posts...

But I’ll save you the trouble...yes...I’m a rock ribbed conservative and yes I smoke pot.

A truth you most likely wont be able to handle....

I eagerly await the standard trollish accusations of being a DU’er etc...

Give it your best shot...others have tried and failed.


204 posted on 05/28/2011 10:43:27 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: petitfour

Looks like the PCSD and their mutual admiration society of like-minded SWAT styled LEO’s are kicking into overdrive on the publicity spin tour. Those local yokels give a whole new meaning to FUBAR.


205 posted on 05/28/2011 10:43:33 AM PDT by Ron H. (The WH is the Republican party's to lose in 2012.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Tigersass said that mentioning people as promoting the agenda to legalize drugs is “character assassination”.
Do you have something you want to say to him?”

Yes I do...”Tiger...Belin_freeper is an Nanny Statist”

There...I said it...I feel much better now...


206 posted on 05/28/2011 10:44:16 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: TigersEye

“there is no evidence that he pointed his AR at the LEOs”

LOL. You are correct and it is as irrelevant as hell.

The officers saw him pointing his AR at them. They deserve the benefit of the doubt in that situation as they are the only one’s there.

If you don’t give the officers the benefit of the doubt in a warranted and legal situation, then you are just being legalistic. My reply to that would be simple. Prove he didn’t point the gun at them.

I’m sure some of the deluded actually believe that officers are just shooting people up for the kicks of it.


207 posted on 05/28/2011 10:45:48 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

*bows*

Logic...it’s my thing...


208 posted on 05/28/2011 10:47:25 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: rbmillerjr
You are correct and it is as irrelevant as hell.

That's what I thought when you posted it as a fact.

If you don’t give the officers the benefit of the doubt in a warranted and legal situation, then you are just being legalistic.

Not at all. Unlike you I am able to extrapolate from the actual known facts (as opposed to the assumptions you make and call facts) that there was no need for a SWAT team at all and that they acted like untrained ninnies carrying out their SWAT raid.

209 posted on 05/28/2011 10:50:15 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Rashputin

In their eyes regardless of circumstances or outcome the use of these Swat teams justifies their existence and their line on the budget.


210 posted on 05/28/2011 10:51:17 AM PDT by toofast2
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To: Crim

“Murdering the innocent is the highest sacrament in the Holy War on Drugs.”

Innocent my ass. Innocent people don’t point AR 15s at SWAT teams and verbally challenge them.

Drugs are illegal. Get over it.

This is much more involved than just drugs though, it will come out in the future.


211 posted on 05/28/2011 10:53:06 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: Crim
I agree with Buckley....

That legalization will increase the size of government and the amount of obtrusion on the private citizen?

And of course you agree with Soros?

212 posted on 05/28/2011 10:53:25 AM PDT by SeeSac
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To: Crim
I eagerly await the standard trollish accusations of being a DU’er etc... Give it your best shot...others have tried and failed.

I don't accuse others of being DU'ers or trolls.

213 posted on 05/28/2011 10:55:56 AM PDT by SeeSac
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To: Steel Wolf

Great posts.


214 posted on 05/28/2011 10:56:34 AM PDT by ponygirl
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To: SeeSac

Do you agree with Hitler that tobacco is bad for you?


215 posted on 05/28/2011 10:56:59 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: rbmillerjr
Innocent my ass. Innocent people don’t point AR 15s at SWAT teams and verbally challenge them.

You have ABSOLUTELY NO proof that the dead man did any such thing!!! That's completely conjecture on your part.

216 posted on 05/28/2011 10:58:03 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: rbmillerjr
I have close family who are LEOs or military (and I've never even tried drugs), but I have strong concerns with where the country is heading in regards to all three of those things.

I appreciate and thank you for your reasoned response, even in the face of my snark. I need to run an errand at the moment but will reply again later.

FReegards, SW

217 posted on 05/28/2011 10:59:01 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Do you agree then that those pushing a legalize drugs agenda are scum?

No.

The real scum are those attempting to justify murderous Tyranny, all in the name of contraband law and the absurd Drug War.

Under such auspices, virtually any killing by law enforcement can be rationalized, and usually is.

218 posted on 05/28/2011 10:59:40 AM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: TigersEye
Do you agree with Hitler that tobacco is bad for you?

I have no idea what Hitler's posistion on the health effects of tobacco was. Are you trying to promote tobacco as healthy?

219 posted on 05/28/2011 11:00:44 AM PDT by SeeSac
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To: rbmillerjr
This is much more involved than just drugs though, it will come out in the future.

Let me get this straight, you've been posting ridiculous crap all throughout this thread on the assumption that evidence and facts unknown to you at this point will emerge in the future?

Do I have that right?

220 posted on 05/28/2011 11:00:55 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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