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Dramatic footage shows moment Iraq war vet was shot 70 times in home
UK Daily Mail ^ | 5/27/11 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 05/27/2011 11:44:07 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

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To: dangus

“So because one cop is guilty, all cops are guilty?”

No. But it shows what I was taught in the USAF safety school about investigating accidents - people see what they expect to see. A large minority of people who see a jet crash will report it was on fire, even if nothing burned. They are not lying. Their brain expects to see a crashing plane on fire and fills in the details for them.

Cops expecting armed resistance or told they are entering the home of a really bad dude who see a guy with a gun will see a guy with a gun pointed at them. It is what they expect to see.

I normally carry a gun around the house investigating at about a 45 deg down position. Habit, I guess, from where I hold it at the range prior to taking a shot. Will a cop who sees that see me RAISING my gun, or LOWERING it?

Now, do I have a right to grab a gun and investigate something unusual at my house? Yes. If I call the cops, they aren’t likely to show up in less than 10 minutes. It took the fire department longer than that to respond to a house in full blaze. And if I lived in the neighborhood this guy lived, I wouldn’t THINK of investigating anything without a gun in hand.

So we now have a situation where the cops are serving a warrant in a manner that a law-abiding person (me) would likely be shot. That means either they KNOW in advance that the guy has been sentenced to death (impossible) or that they are serving the warrant in a manner that should be banned.

And THAT is my point. There are other ways of serving warrants, and skipping them and going to a SWAT team raid sets one up for killing an innocent civilian. Sooner or later, one can reasonably expect an innocent person to be killed when warrants are served this way, and for what? Over a crime that, if found guilty, there is no death penalty? That is obscene.

This is America. Presumed innocent, not presumed guilty. And yes, we are allowed to own guns.


221 posted on 05/27/2011 4:46:00 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: SeaHawkFan

yep..I know. It was my hope that he would have been recalled before this. Not sure what it’s going to take for the residents of Pima county to wake up.


222 posted on 05/27/2011 4:46:27 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: rbmillerjr
Factually incorrect. They are cops. The man they killed is a former Marine (despite the saying, factually), they killed him on a warranted drug search in which he had a weapon in his hand.

Jeese, how many asshat lawyers are on this thread? There is no former Marine, princess....and no one has seen the warrant, except perhaps you assholes that are proclaiming those keystone cops innocent. Go watch the videos, it did nothing except to confirm other than that "swat" team are clinical retards. get out the checkbook boys, that widow is taking you to the cleaners.....

223 posted on 05/27/2011 4:46:56 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: rbmillerjr

Was the “asshat” part factually correct?


224 posted on 05/27/2011 4:47:10 PM PDT by labusiness
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To: ScreamingFist

“There is no former Marine, princess....and no one has seen the warrant, except perhaps you assholes that are proclaiming those keystone cops innocent. “

WhiningPuss, Factually the guy is a former Marine. Wrong again, the judge and some others did see the warrant. Eventually we will get to see it also.

“Go watch the videos”...the complete video will be shown in court. They are going in there on a drug gang warrant...the guy has a weapon....He’s dead. It happens.


225 posted on 05/27/2011 4:55:22 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: Longdriver
The SCOTUS hates the 4th Amendment but loves the Big Govt Police State.

When I was a youngster, manty Americans refered to those who were released on 4th or 5th Amendment violations as getting off on a technicality.

226 posted on 05/27/2011 4:59:12 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: rbmillerjr
WhiningPuss, Factually the guy is a former Marine.

I DARE you to call any Marine on this forum a "former Marine". Try it nancy girl.

227 posted on 05/27/2011 5:00:49 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: petitfour

Apparently there are many who think this kinda thing is ok. Thanks for the clarification.


228 posted on 05/27/2011 5:01:32 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: rbmillerjr

“They are going in there on a drug gang warrant...the guy has a weapon....He’s dead. It happens.”

Its just collateral damage eh, no big deal.


229 posted on 05/27/2011 5:03:32 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ScreamingFist

How old are you sunny? I’ve called great Marines good things and shitty Marines bad things, lol worse than “former Marine”.

I’m calling this drug dealing dirt bag a former fricking Marine...and I’m calling you a POS message board commando.


230 posted on 05/27/2011 5:09:09 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: rbmillerjr
How old are you sunny? I’ve called great Marines good things and shitty Marines bad things, lol worse than “former Marine”.

I see. You obviously don't have a clue about Marines, there are no ex-marines. Only a prancing fag lawyer with his pocketbook worries would even say such a thing. I hope you enjoy your profits.....

231 posted on 05/27/2011 5:16:41 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: ScreamingFist

lol, am I your scapegoat now. I’ll be your bogeyman.

I’ve worked and trained with more Marines than you’ve seen Marine commercials. Not an attorney either black helo boy.

Now go run from your shadow and rant about the black helos.


232 posted on 05/27/2011 5:22:52 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: rbmillerjr
I’ve worked and trained with more Marines than you’ve seen Marine commercials. Not an attorney either black helo boy.

Yes, everyone on the internet is a baddass hero. Try again and tell your momma that the basement is closed tonight.....nancy.

233 posted on 05/27/2011 5:26:47 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: ScreamingFist

LOL, you’re boring me now pimple ass.

I’ll bet you are a Paulist Truther.


234 posted on 05/27/2011 5:30:02 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: rbmillerjr
LOL, you’re boring me now pimple ass. I’ll bet you are a Paulist Truther.

And I'll bet you are a nancy-girl that has never met a Marine in you pitiful life. "former-marine" LOL! What a douche.....

235 posted on 05/27/2011 5:34:00 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: free_life

“The police first stated the warrant was issued relating to drugs, marijuana to be exact. Now the warrant is sealed apparently from what I am reading here at FR.

So they busted in his front door loaded for bear because he may have had an illegal plant, which he didn’t? Then they shoot him 60-70 times and prevent him getting any medical help”

According to the brainless morons on this thread defending it, the victim had it coming.


236 posted on 05/27/2011 5:34:00 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Dear Lord, Please judge Barack Hussein Obama for betraying Israel, and not the whole nation. Amen.)
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To: ScreamingFist

Yeah, yeah, how about we have a fundraiser for the TeaParty.

Come and say that to my face cherry.


237 posted on 05/27/2011 5:38:38 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: rbmillerjr
Come and say that to my face cherry.

I can't, you're to much of a nancy-girl to even fly your state flag.

238 posted on 05/27/2011 5:41:02 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: dangus

I answered the way I did because you stated that he should have known it was the cops by the way they knocked on the door.

And yes, if someone is breaking into my home they WILL be met with resistance! By your standards, I shouldn’t shoot because the criminal might have more firepower than me? Are you one of those people that is from the school of thought that a raped or dead woman is morally superior to one that isn’t a victim because she picked up a gun and killed her attacker(s)? Check out my tagline - I believe in self-preservation!


239 posted on 05/27/2011 5:45:14 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: petitfour

The person you are addressing would have been one of the stupid, adrenalin-junky dip**** cops who pulled the trigger. There is no doubt about it.


240 posted on 05/27/2011 5:48:41 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Dear Lord, Please judge Barack Hussein Obama for betraying Israel, and not the whole nation. Amen.)
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