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WikiLeaks Exposes North American Integration Plot
New American ^ | Monday, 02 May 2011 21:00 | Alex Newman

Posted on 05/26/2011 11:48:52 AM PDT by justlittleoleme

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To: muawiyah

we should just lease baja then, and boot the squatter off our land.


41 posted on 05/26/2011 3:54:48 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre
We could lease Baja, of course ~ for an incredible amount of money plus 5,000,000 more Mexicanos.

Mexico knows what they've got down there ~ the largest chunk of worthwhile undeveloped harbors on Earth!

Expansion of American port facilities would require massive projects incompatible with coastal views, estuary habitats, golf courses, and mansions and estates of the REMARKABLY RICH.

42 posted on 05/26/2011 3:59:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mamelukesabre
We could lease Baja, of course ~ for an incredible amount of money plus 5,000,000 more Mexicanos.

Mexico knows what they've got down there ~ the largest chunk of worthwhile undeveloped harbors on Earth!

Expansion of American port facilities would require massive projects incompatible with coastal views, estuary habitats, golf courses, and mansions and estates of the REMARKABLY RICH.

43 posted on 05/26/2011 4:00:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: editor-surveyor

Isn’t it more the case that the Spanish quit investing in Mexico when they lost control of the place?


44 posted on 05/26/2011 4:01:18 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: bronxville

Its a smart thing to keep a log of those that call the investigators “nut jobs,” etc.

It helps in assigning credibility to their other comments.


45 posted on 05/26/2011 4:04:03 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: justlittleoleme

Another thing, like non-biological geological oil and gas production, that Dr. Corsi is right about.


46 posted on 05/26/2011 4:08:06 PM PDT by bvw
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To: muawiyah

The spaniards were long gone by the time the US took over, but the missions were a unit unto themselves.

Several of them had foundries on site to manufacture what they needed.


47 posted on 05/26/2011 4:08:14 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor
No doubt they could do horseshoes and ploughs, but silk priestly garb came from East Asia!

San Luis Rey has a tremendous exhibition that draws on the rubbish pit they discovered just a few years back.

48 posted on 05/26/2011 4:10:31 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I do understand the commercial aspect fully, and I know of the in land ports built in Kansas and near Dallas as well as what you mentioned.

Perry's mistakes with selling the TTC was how heavy-handed it would have been with Texans, how private property was going to be confiscated from private landowners and turned over to private companies, how a European company was going to be running everything, and how he tried to keep the terms of these agreements from the taxpayers. By trying to keep so much of it secret from Texas taxpayers, Perry fed into the conspiracy theorists, which both helped and hurt him. Nobody bought Perry's beliefs that the terms should be kept secret for competitive reasons since there was no competition! That, the fact that it was a European company handling it, and his attending a Bilderberger meeting during this time just fed into the anger and paranoia.

I think my biggest problem, besides Perry being so heavy handed and secretive and the fact that a European company would have been managing it, was that while it may have just been done for commercial reasons as far as Perry was concerned, it could have been used to sell much more open borders to future generations of Americans, and something along the lines of the European Union. The first thing you need for such a union is a well integrated transportation system.

Had Perry not been so secretive and had he not been so arrogant, he might have had a chance at getting the TTC through and not having the legislature challenge him. I still would have opposed it for a few reasons. The Houston dockworkers would have fought it, but how much power would they have had?

Speaking of Houston dockworkers, since it would be cheaper to unload container ships in Mexico, how many jobs would be lost on the three American coasts? I don't know if I'd care too much about all the union jobs at the various American ports, but it might still result in some jobs heading to Mexico.

If Perry and people like him didn't attend Bildeberger meetings and weren't so secretive about certain things, they could probably sell a lot more of these projects to Americans.
49 posted on 05/26/2011 4:20:52 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: editor-surveyor

It’s difficult for them to believe that the people we elect are in the pocket of the puppet-master. Obama just does it so blatantly that many are now seeing the light which is really a good thing...but that’s only if he doesn’t get another four years. I believe the left are working up to a civil revolution - I’ve got great concern for the country in 2012 election time as we’ve got a socio-path in the WH.

PS: nummerous = numerous.


50 posted on 05/26/2011 4:22:46 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: af_vet_rr
With massive growth expected in import/export nobody would be hurt. The inland port facilities are needed now in fact.

Texas becomes a problem if they don't improve both their rail, pipeline and road connections to the rest of the continent.

In fact, without some interest in enhancing infrastructure they become, so to speak, just another Mexico or Guatemala.

51 posted on 05/26/2011 4:36:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Fascinating history; I know Spain sent an expedition to intercept Lewis & Clark before they could reach the Pacific. I guess they had great foresight as to what would come next, though the blow would fall on the newly independent Mexico instead of Spain.


52 posted on 05/26/2011 4:52:21 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2
The Spanish were our allies in the American Revolution (along with France). For a good long while the United States refused to tread on Spanish prerogatives in North America, but then the day came when we wanted to round out Florida with a British and a Spanish holding on the Gulf Coast.

Oh, my. I think that's about the time the Spanish figured out what was going to happen but by then it was too late. Mexico was inspired ~ and kicked 'em out (only to replace the old authoritarian regime with a police state).

53 posted on 05/26/2011 4:59:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Lot of irony in Perry giving the TTC contracts to a Spanish company.


54 posted on 05/26/2011 5:39:24 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: editor-surveyor

I’m already pretty well educated, thanks. I don’t suppose that tinfoil-hatters talking down to me is going to encourage me to listen any further.

I’ve never really understood the fear of a “world government”. It’s impossible. Can’t be done, even if it ~was~ a good idea (which it isn’t) it simply cannot be done. Mankind is too basically tribal. A global government would be fighting an unending global insurgency, and in the end be utterly ineffective at whatever they were trying to accomplish.


55 posted on 05/26/2011 5:41:11 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: af_vet_rr
For a great number of reasons the US has almost always had positive relations with Spain ~ particularly when European countries weren't.

Even before the Spanish American War there were indications the Spanish were willing to hand over their entire empire for a pitifully small price. They simply weren't up to keeping it running.

In a counterpart to the US/Spain relationship the Brits have had a very interesting long term relationship with Portugual.

I am not, however, a specialist in Spanish diplomatic history, or even much of their history after the 1500s. Recently I've been looking into their involvement in Virginia ~ their agent ~ with a "version" of my own surname set up boundary markers at sites that also carry a "version" of my surname ~ and he did so at a time when the first Swedes (with my surname as well) were "casing the place" from the St. Lawrence to Florida.

There's been quite a bit of archaeological work done on a couple of old Spanish sites further South and that work has improved the timeline such that I think I'm actually looking at one and the same man doing work for the Swedes, and for Spain, and maybe for United Kingdom.

You'd frequently have a sea captain from one country do an exploratory sale for a different country, and end up selling his information to yet other countries.

There weren't all that many educated folks in the Americas at that time so if you wanted someone to survey something you probably had to hire the guy who worked for the other guys and who could get along with the Indians as well.

56 posted on 05/26/2011 5:55:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mamelukesabre
The next question is...was the financial meltdown orchestrated to make an integration and new currency more palatable? Has illegal immigration been encouraged and the will of the taxpayers thwarted by all 3 governments in order to incrementally integrate?

I believe that you're on to something here. The "leaders" certainly don't want to take "NO!" for an answer when regarding amnesty. They need to mix Mexicans into the US to enable the North American version of the European Union to occur. It's just another step in bringing about a world government, which is seemingly an eternal goal of power-hungry thugs everywhere.

57 posted on 05/26/2011 6:19:56 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: muawiyah
We owe Julian nothing but a short trip on a long rope.

Perhaps a trial is in order first. We have to keep in mind that it makes little sense to shoot (or hang) the messenger. It might tick off a few statists if their plot is revealed, but there seems to be things within the Wikileaks data that the citizenry of the US may need to know.

The fact that the government sent letters to federal employees instructing them to NOT read Wikileaks ought to raise the level of concern at least a little.

58 posted on 05/26/2011 6:27:09 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: meyer
It is best for folks in a job where it is required that you deal with classified material to simply stay away from external sources that purport to be classified.

The reason is that you can't remember all of it, so to do your job you need to avoid distraction.

I know that back when I was at my peak in writing regulations I stayed away from rules ~ even on lottery tickets. They were a distraction that really did interfere with my job.

59 posted on 05/26/2011 6:38:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: justlittleoleme

For better or for worse, the mexican drug wars must be making this impossible to happen


60 posted on 05/28/2011 12:31:54 AM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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