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Hawaii shuts out WND probe of Obama birth
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| May 10, 2011
| Jerome R. Corsi
Posted on 05/10/2011 9:34:15 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: Cobra64
The Constitution does not state any requirements for the father or mother of a president. It only states the requirements for the PRESIDENT (natural born citizen, age 35+, 14+year resident). The fact that his father was not a US citizen is irrelevant and does not need to be checked by the media.
Obama’s legitimacy is being questioned because of HIS natural born citizen status, not his parents’ status.
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posted on
05/10/2011 11:26:45 PM PDT
by
dupree
To: philman_36
Don’t worry. I thought it was funny.
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posted on
05/10/2011 11:39:20 PM PDT
by
freekitty
(Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
To: dupree
I have heard differently.
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posted on
05/10/2011 11:51:03 PM PDT
by
Cobra64
(Common sense isn't common anymore.)
To: Salamander
Hi Philman....:)Good evening. How are you doing tonight you...you red-headed temptress? LOL
Slumming with the "birthers"?
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posted on
05/10/2011 11:55:09 PM PDT
by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
To: freekitty; Salamander
Dont worry. I thought it was funny.I'm glad you did. I went back a couple of times internally debating about even posting it.
Sometimes I just have to pull the trigger.
No, we are not going there tonight, Salamander.
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posted on
05/10/2011 11:58:15 PM PDT
by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
To: Gene Eric
Yup. There were dozens of documents experts who said that the White House birth certificate is a forgery.
It was doctored in nine layers.
Too bad the Obamabots on FR don't believe them, nor their own eyes.
Here is a very obvious example:
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posted on
05/11/2011 12:05:46 AM PDT
by
Cobra64
(Common sense isn't common anymore.)
To: dupree
Obamas legitimacy is being questioned because of HIS natural born citizen status, not his parents status.
He has no natural born citizen status. At best he's a dual citizen.
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posted on
05/11/2011 12:11:11 AM PDT
by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
To: Cobra64
There’s definitely a raster vs OCR issue, which could be explained as a scan anomoly. But look at the downward hooking serifs on the OCR’d 1 digits and let me know what you think.
I’m of the opinion that the rubber stamp for the 1 digits had a broadened serif to give the rubber strength. That characteristic is not evident in the rasterized, right-most 1 digit in the serial number. The concave area under the serif might plug up on a rubber stamp if the font used was a typical typeset font used for print.
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posted on
05/11/2011 12:14:40 AM PDT
by
Gene Eric
(*** Jesus ***)
To: RobinMasters
Isn’t it wonderful that SOME on FR want to tell you WHAT you can write or read on here. Or what you should concentrate on, and want to take the high road with the DEMOCRATS on the birther issue.
Sometimes you just have to go...”I’ll swun!” and slap your leg...and then look at these control FREAKS and say...”God bless your little pea pikin heart!”
Don’t want to read this article, go play with yourself somewhere else, for pete’s SAKES!
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posted on
05/11/2011 12:14:51 AM PDT
by
RowdyFFC
To: philman_36
Obama is an anchor baby.
I think McAmnesty-McCain's MS-13 buddy should be eligible when he turns 35.
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posted on
05/11/2011 12:17:38 AM PDT
by
Cobra64
(Common sense isn't common anymore.)
To: RobinMasters; All
I've followed this issue with great interest since before the election. Having read almost everything available on the topic I can assure you that
I am as completely misinformed and confused as everyone else. So let me see if I can oversimplify the situation and provide some perspective
But first, NBC is not the only issue for the upcoming election, so please stop inventing false dichotomies. (It is also an unresolved issue with the last election.) If you don't want to hear any more about this topic, then ignore these theads. sTrolling in and telling everyone to STFU because you don't think the NBC clause of the Constitution is important is not going to change the minds of those that think it is important. It's not only unproductive, it's also rude and stupid. This is FR, not DU. Adults are trying to have a conversation here. If you can't contribute to it, go play outside.
Second, there are only two possibilities:
- Obama is a NBC
- Obama is not a NBC
The problem is that the Constitution does not define NBC within its text, and "there is no controlling legal authority" with the balls to make a ruling that will stick. Everyone is playing 'hot potato' and 'pass the buck' and 'hear no evil' - which is frustrating as hell to those that actually care about the Constitution.
Depending on the precedents and interpretations and nuances you care to believe, NBC is either a trivially simple matter or it is endlessly complicated. I'm a big fan of Occam's razor, and so prefer the trivially simple case. Reasons for it are given at the end.
- On the trivially simple side, we have: NBC = BORN IN USA TO TWO AMERICAN PARENTS. Assuming that Obama Sr. was in fact his father, then Obama II cannot possibly be a NBC, and it doesn't matter where he was born.
- Again assuming that Obama Sr. was in fact his father, if Obama II was not born in Hawaii, then he is most likely not even a US Citizen at all, but an illegal immigrant! Personally, I find this possibility highly amusing - and I wouldn't put it past the DnRs to have their own unofficial "don't ask don't tell" policy in this regards, lest someone label then as "racist". But I digress.
So there it is in a nutshell. Obama cannot possibly be a NBC, and it doesn't matter where he was born. He is, in fact, a British subject by birth, or possibly a dual citizen (or even three, if you prefer).
So, why is the simple case preferred? Because if NBC does not mean born in the USA of two American parents, then it means nothing. Let's look at the possibilities:
- Born in the USA of parents who are not citizens = anchor baby case; American citizen with dual (or more) citizenship
- Born in the USA of one citizen parent = native born case; American citizen with dual citizenship
- Not born in the USA of parents who are not citizens = non-citizen; could immigrate and be naturalized. Might even become Governor of California.
- Not born in the USA of one citizen parent = dual citizen, not native-born
- Not born in the USA of two citizen parents = possibly dual citizen, not native-born
So NBC boils down to native born and no dual citizenship. The reason for this being the preferred definition of NBC is that any other circumstance allows for divided loyalties.
No other definition of NBC makes sense.
Sorry Barry.
Ah, but there's another possibility: Obama Sr. is not the biological father. In this case, Barry could be a NBC but he would have to admit that his entire life-story narrative is based on a lie. While it would be embarrassing, it would not be devastating - Americans are very forgiving, and have short attention spans. And even shorter memories.
Sadly, this option is no longer possible, because the last birth document was claimed to be official and released by the White House - so there's no going back on the son-of-a-Kenyan story.
Which puts us back to: not NBC.
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posted on
05/11/2011 12:30:21 AM PDT
by
CzarChasm
(My opinion. No charge.)
To: Gene Eric
I don't pretend to be an expert (others have proved it's a nine layered / doctored document) on this but the pixelated "1" above and the following cause me to believe that this is as phony as it gets.
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After I downloaded the BC from the WH web site and opened the PDF, as you zoom in, you can see the layers. Adobe Illustrator can open and isolate each layer.
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posted on
05/11/2011 12:35:39 AM PDT
by
Cobra64
(Common sense isn't common anymore.)
To: Gene Eric
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posted on
05/11/2011 12:45:52 AM PDT
by
Cobra64
(Common sense isn't common anymore.)
To: Cobra64
The issue of some elements getting picked up by “OCR” and other elements not getting picked up doesn’t bother me that much. I could explain that away in defense of the posted COLB. What doesn’t make sense to me, however, is the downward hooking serifs on the left-most 1 digits in the serial number. The hooking is not evident on the right-most 1 digit regardless of the scanning. Maybe there’s a reason for it, but I’m not getting it. This is my only focus on the COLB — the rest goes over my head.
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posted on
05/11/2011 12:48:52 AM PDT
by
Gene Eric
(*** Jesus ***)
To: dupree
...The Constitution does not state any requirements for the father or mother of a president. It only states the requirements for the PRESIDENT (natural born citizen, age 35+, 14+year resident)....
It comes down to the definition of the term "natural born citizen", as it pertains to the President and Vice-President.
It is a fact that many constitutional scholars would tell you that the definition of the term "natural born citizen" involves the citizenship status of the President (native born) as well as the citizehship status of one or both of his parents.
1. Some say it requires that only one parent be a US citizen,
2. Others say it requires US citizenship of both parents.
3. Another much smaller group, perhaps including yourself, believes the parentage of the President is not involved at all.
Not all three of the above positions can be correct. In fact, two of them must be incorrect.
This is in important constitutional matter that is in dispute, in that it involves eligibility for the highest offices in the land (and therefore in the world).
Personally, I don't hold out much hope that this "dispute" will be settled in the near future. It appears that we may be arguing about this through the 2012 election and who knows how many other elections into the future.
To: RobinMasters
I have to admit that I am becoming curious about the Ninth Circuits decision. Its taking more time than a summary dismissal would seem to need.
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posted on
05/11/2011 4:12:50 AM PDT
by
snowsislander
(The Nigerian 419 scammers must be envious of what this Kenyan fraud has accomplished.)
To: Nachum; flat; freekitty; MamaDearest; seekthetruth; Windflier; WhatNot; unkus; NorwegianViking; ...
Nothing to hide but the truth? Anyone asking or investigating who knows the truth and is keeping silent? Or, who signed off on the fraud? Or, whose giving the orders?
To: Nachum
how could WND let this happen?
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posted on
05/11/2011 6:28:21 AM PDT
by
dalebert
To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Hey, Bozo, what makes you think that the only issue that Birthers care about is Obama’s eligibility?
We are extremely adept at multitasking, and eligibility is a valid, constitutional issue. It's one issue of many.
Your big problem is your, “I'm smarter than everybody” arrogance.
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posted on
05/11/2011 6:41:15 AM PDT
by
Beckwith
(A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
To: dalebert
If you think this is a dead horse, you’re sadly mistaken. For the sake of the US Constitution, this issue won’t be a dead horse even when BHO has left office.
The truth must be revealed and the sycophants are simply buying time to get BHO through. Once he has completed his term/terms, they will end the stalling game and the darkness will lift revealing some very scary things.
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