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Japan: Crack in concrete called source of radioactive water leaking into sea(8 inch crack)
CNN ^ | 04/02/11

Posted on 04/02/2011 12:57:12 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: bert

>> Concrete sir.....cement is glue

Indeed. Thank you for the correction.


61 posted on 04/02/2011 12:14:22 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus *** forgoing 327 4 bolts. FU GM .)
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To: ransomnote
He stood up and began to tell them all about the way that Russia had conserved the waste by mixing them into concrete used to make schools and hospitals. First one scientist jumped to his feet to call to him “Please tell me this isn’t true!” then another. Pandemonium ensued as the audience recoiled in horror. My friend sheepishly said that Russia didn’t understand the health impacts very well and assumed that dilution with concrete was sufficient and believed that all the furor in the west about what to do with nuclear waste really had more to do with an unwillingness to waste valuable resources.

OMG, is that a true story?

62 posted on 04/02/2011 8:52:37 PM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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Yes. That was my friend - a Russian immigrant to the US. He became a citizen. He was ashamed by the fact that they were proud of this ‘accomplishment’.
Russia’s scientific history is littered with such seemingly impossible contradictions.
Here’s a typical story of Russia’s nuclear storage travails from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyshtym_disaster_

“The Mayak plant was built in a great hurry between 1945 and 1948. Gaps in Soviet physicists’ knowledge about nuclear physics at the time made it difficult to judge the safety of many decisions. Also, environmental concerns were not taken seriously during the early development stage. All six reactors were on Lake Kyzyltash and used an open cycle cooling system within that lake Schlager, Neil (1994). Initially Mayak was dumping high-level radioactive waste into a nearby river, which was taking waste to the river Ob, flowing farther down to the Arctic Ocean. Later on, Lake Karachay was used for open-air storage.[1]”

So in addition to using ‘open cycle cooling’ (running fresh water into the plant and pumping the radioactive water bck out into the lake) they would just back trucks up to lakes and dump the nuclear sludge in. That particular lake suffered a chemical explosion that blew radioactive waste into the surrounding area and knocked down trees (visible from satellite photos):

“Because of the secrecy surrounding Mayak, the populations of affected areas were not initially informed of the accident. A week later (on 6 October) an operation for evacuating 10,000 people from the affected area started, still without giving an explanation of the reasons for evacuation. People “grew hysterical with fear with the incidence of unknown ‘mysterious’ diseases breaking out. Victims were seen with skin ‘sloughing off’ their faces, hands and other exposed parts of their bodies.”[6] It was Zhores Medvedev who revealed the nature and extent of the disaster to the world.”

When a lake they were dumping in became heavily radioactive, they decided to fill it in with rocks and dirt (bury it). But their scientists said that this would force radioactivity into the ground water of the region so the problem was never corrected. This was a long time ago so when I checked on it recently, I find articles saying that more open ponds and lakes are being used to ‘store’ radioactive waste. Here’s an example from 2010:

“The most catastrophic situation is in the zone of Mayak Production Association which still dumps and stores radioactive wastes in open waters of the lakes Kyzyltash, Karachay, Old Swamp and Tatysh in Asanovskih marshes, as well as in four water reservoirs of Techensky Cascade, surrounded by wetland. The banks of the river Techa are also contaminated.” http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2010/08/15/12391.shtml

Parts of the country are contaminated with radioactive waste and that particular article was talking about a heat wave and drought that was kicking up dust and spreading radioactive contaminants further. Then contaminated forests catch fire in the summer heat and more radiation is blown across the continent. Amazing and tragic. Rarely are the people informed and often they are not protected or treated.


63 posted on 04/02/2011 9:33:43 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: TigerLikesRooster; SteveH; RummyChick; justa-hairyape
http://www.nikkei.com/news/headline/related-article/g=96958A9C93819695E2E0E2E0868DE2E0E2E6E0E2E3E3E2E2E2E2E2E2;bm=96958A9C93819595E2E1E2E2E38DE2E1E2E6E0E2E3E3E2E2E2E2E2E2

The cracked wall near the water intake of No. 2 reactor (at Fukushima No. 1 Plant.) Contaminated (radioactive) water is seen gushing out (to sea.)


64 posted on 04/02/2011 9:44:26 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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Thanks for the ping. Will check out the followups to this thread. Looks good.

BTW - Was looking into buying a radiation monitor for my Kalifornia business. Want to guarantee my products are radiation free while on the road. At any rate - These supply companies are being over whelmed with orders. And you wont believe from who. Here is one excerpted example.

JUST RECENTLY OUR US GOVERNMENT BOUGHT UP ALL OF THE MOUNTAIN HOUSE FREEZE DRIED LONG TERM FOOD - THERE IS VIRTUALLY NONE AVAILABLE ANYWHERE FOR THE AVERAGE JOE TO GET PREPARED. NOW THEY HAVE PURCHASED ALL THE RADSTICKERS FOR USE IN JAPAN, ONCE AGAIN LEAVING US WITHOUT. WHAT'S NEXT? - IS IT POSSIBLE THEY WILL BUY ALL THE POTASSIUM IODIDE AND LEAVE US AT THEIR BECKON MERCY?

65 posted on 04/02/2011 10:12:13 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Just a rough approximation, but that leak rate looks comparable to the rate of water that they are injecting into reactor #2. Probably just a strange coincidence.
66 posted on 04/02/2011 10:38:09 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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I knew liberals (and gov type) would go “survivalist” after Fukushima disaster. They used to laugh at conservative survivalists. Now who are in mass hysteria? Berkeley liberals. LOL.
67 posted on 04/02/2011 10:49:21 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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I read Japanese news article (from either Yomiuri or Nikkei(Nihon Geizai)) which said that 550 tons of water is pumped in daily and there is 20,000 tons of radioactive water to be disposed of.
68 posted on 04/02/2011 10:55:30 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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Fresh water is injected continuously through fire extinguisher line on Unit 2 at an indicated rate of 9 m3/h using a temporary electric pump with diesel backup. The indicated temperature at the feed water nozzle of the RPV has decreased from 165 °C to 161 °C. The temperature at the bottom of RPV was not reported. Indicated Drywell pressure remains at atmospheric pressure.

That looks like 9 cubic meters per hour for unit 2. A meter is roughly a little over a yard (3.28 feet). So a cube of water a little less then 30 feet wide, tall and deep. Every hour. Excerpted from.

IAEA: Fukushima Nuclear Accident Update Log [02-April-2011]

69 posted on 04/02/2011 11:39:39 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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Actually that leak rate roughly appears to be some amount less then they are pumping into unit #2. The given rate is roughly 140,000 gallons per hour. So some of the water must be escaping as steam, leaking elsewhere or being partially collected somewhere. Just numbers off the top of my head using a basic calculator.


70 posted on 04/02/2011 11:48:21 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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That would be closer to a cube 10 feet wide tall and deep.


71 posted on 04/02/2011 11:49:41 PM PDT by Tramonto (Keep Portland Weird; Keep the Weird in Portland.)
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I guess it would only be a cube under 7 feet. Its late.


72 posted on 04/02/2011 11:53:38 PM PDT by Tramonto (Keep Portland Weird; Keep the Weird in Portland.)
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So they are stating the cube is 3 x 3 x 3 meters, which would be 9 total cubic meters. Ahh. Now that is closer to the observed leak rate. Would be an injection into unit #2 of 5,118 gallons per hour. That leak rate appears to be around a few thousand gallons per hour.
73 posted on 04/03/2011 12:01:34 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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That may not be right either. So much for doing math off the top of my head late on a Saturday. Used an online converter. 9 cubic meters is 317.831 ft³. A cubic foot is about 7.5 gallons. So we are talking 2,383 gallons per hour. That looks almost exactly like the leak rate. Thanks for the help. Can someone double check that math ?
74 posted on 04/03/2011 12:08:22 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: TigerLikesRooster
You might be interested in this if you have not seen it yet. Radiation will be leaking for months.

PM advisor: effort to stop radioactive leakage

He added that the main task for now should shift to halting the leakage of radioactive elements within a few months.

75 posted on 04/03/2011 12:51:08 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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You are right.

http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20110403D03JF855.htm

Sunday, April 3, 2011

Govt Says Several Months May Be Required Before Radiation Leaks Stop

TOKYO (Kyodo)—The government expects that several months may be required before radioactive particles stop being released from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, its top spokesman said Sunday.

‘’If we apply methods considered to be normal, I believe that it will be something like that,’’ Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano told a news conference, when asked whether at least several months would be required before the plant crippled by the devastating March 11 earthquake and ensuing tsunami is brought under control.

‘’While it may not be feasible, we have been asking for other possibilities to be explored to shorten that period,’’ Edano said, noting that the government and the plant's operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. are considering multiple approaches to halting the nuclear crisis.

76 posted on 04/03/2011 4:47:11 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/03/japan.nuclear.reactors/?hpt=T2

Chemical, sawdust, newspaper mix used to plug leak at nuclear plant

By the CNN Wire Staff

April 3, 2011 — Updated 1015 GMT (1815 HKT)

Tokyo (CNN) — Workers on Sunday poured a chemical compound mixed with sawdust and newspaper into a crack at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power facility that's been a conduit for highly radioactive water leaking into the Pacific Ocean, a utility company official said.

This follows an unsuccessful attempt a day earlier to use concrete to plug the 2-meter-deep (6.5-foot-deep), concrete-lined basin, where authorities had found water gushing directly into the sea via a roughly 20-centimeter crack.

Eighty bags of a water-gel mix made by the Tokyo-based IB Daiwa company will be used in the operation. Each one contains 100 grams of material that includes a special polymer. A Tokyo Electric official said the substance should expand to several thousand times its size as it sticks, ideally, to plug the leak.

77 posted on 04/03/2011 7:02:15 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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