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Why can't we just let the Libyans fight it out (...and then make friends with the winners)
The Daily Mail ^ | March 20, 2011 | Peter Hitchens

Posted on 03/20/2011 4:13:01 AM PDT by Scanian

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To: bill1952

So what do you suggest?


161 posted on 03/20/2011 6:49:27 AM PDT by Sarah-bot
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To: GOPJ

It did.


162 posted on 03/20/2011 6:50:14 AM PDT by Sarah-bot
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To: Sarah-bot

You were asked several direct questions. None of which you have bothered to answer. Care to start? If you’ve forgotten here they are again:

1) You claim that our military is not over extended. Most active duty Marines and Soldiers would SEVERELY disagree. How can you come to such a conclusion?

2) You demand a policy of a “will to kill.” Please define such a policy. How it would translate into “victory” in Libya? Keep in mind that our military, contrary to your masturbatory fantasies, are staffed by upstanding men and women who aren’t down with murdering unarmed populations they are fighting in support of.


163 posted on 03/20/2011 6:51:30 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: Never on my watch

Very true. Today, nearly all terrorists are Muslims.


164 posted on 03/20/2011 6:56:49 AM PDT by elhombrelibre ("I'd rather be ruled by the Tea Party than the Democratic Party." Norman Podhoretz)
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To: KantianBurke

1 Group think. I don’t care what most people think I care about time tested truths.

2 I am not specifically talking about Libya when I talk about the will to kill (If you are a soldier you better have the will to kill). I am talking about the entire Islamic world. We happen to be engaged in Libya so we need to be willing to kill them, rather than set our men up for failure.


165 posted on 03/20/2011 6:56:49 AM PDT by Sarah-bot
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To: elhombrelibre

Okay, then why were you busting my chops earlier. I am more tolerant than you.


166 posted on 03/20/2011 6:58:26 AM PDT by Sarah-bot
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To: Sarah-bot
I don't know what you mean. I don't believe I ever busted your chops.

Yes, we won the air war in WWII, but plenty of military historians don't believe the bombing of civilian areas was the reason we won WWII. Even the dropping of nuclear weapons on Japan was not specifically targeted at civilians. I don't have to believe that air superiority is paramount in winning wars and believe that massacring civilians is the same thing, do I?

I will always want the US to be able to win on land, air, and sea.

167 posted on 03/20/2011 7:11:22 AM PDT by elhombrelibre ("I'd rather be ruled by the Tea Party than the Democratic Party." Norman Podhoretz)
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To: Sarah-bot

1) You say groupthink. I say Solipsism. You have provided no evidence, facts or statistics to indicate that our forces are fine and dandy. Here are just a couple of mine that indicate otherwise:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/06/number-troops-seeking-opiate-addiction-treatment-skyrockets/?test=latestnews#

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20110312boston_conference_to_explore_military_suicides/

http://www.sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/561302/Combat-soldiers-must-face-more-than-the-enemy.html?nav=5011

2) Your comments indicate you have no idea what it means to be a Soldier or a Marine. There is a BIG difference between being willing to kill your enemy and killing everything that moves. One is the mindset of a professional. The other is held by little boys who have only seen combat when watching “Full Metal Jacket.” Finally your idea of winning in Libya is killing them if we need to? Great plan. -sarcasm off -

We’re done here. I’d like to get back to debating with adults. Have a nice day.


168 posted on 03/20/2011 7:14:56 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: Sarah-bot
I suggest that we not intercede on behalf on Shiite fundamentalists at all.
Have you thought about the consequences of these actions and where they lead?

Look here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2691721/posts?page=1

We, as a real Nation, need to identify other Nations that share our common interests, goals, and culture, not engage in endless tail wags dog exercises for fuzzy feel good reasons that are usually cover for an entirely different agenda.
Nations do not have friends, they have interests, and this nation has, since Jimmy Carter, begun to define it's interests in promoting the spread of Islamic fundamentalism.

Intended or not Carter did it, Clinton did it, and now Hussein is doing it in spades.

We are sinking ourselves...

169 posted on 03/20/2011 7:20:59 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: DB
No more "nation building".

Why stop now? there's money to be made......bomb it - get the oil - rebuild it......brilliant!

170 posted on 03/20/2011 7:23:48 AM PDT by ninonitti
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To: elhombrelibre

Sherman was instrumental in winning the Civil War because he reduced the South’s willingness to fight, through total war.


171 posted on 03/20/2011 7:24:39 AM PDT by Sarah-bot
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To: KantianBurke

Withdraw from the battlefield, hoser.


172 posted on 03/20/2011 7:26:53 AM PDT by Sarah-bot
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To: bill1952

My problem is that I believe we are at war with radical Islam; therefore, If radical Islam wants something it is are job to keep it from them.


173 posted on 03/20/2011 7:29:25 AM PDT by Sarah-bot
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To: Scanian

Personally, I don’t think this is our concern. There is totalitarianism all over the world. Taking out one aging thug so that he can be replaced with another is not going to do anything.


174 posted on 03/20/2011 7:30:28 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

If I used that logic I would never weed the garden.


175 posted on 03/20/2011 7:31:52 AM PDT by Sarah-bot
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To: wita

Works for me as long as you include the pols and bureacrats who aided and abetted the deal.


176 posted on 03/20/2011 7:33:43 AM PDT by mewzilla (Were members of both political parties in on the Lockerbie bomber deal?)
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To: Sarah-bot
I actually called them up one night after a long fight and offered to send them by DD214.

Was this before or after your epic fail "give me a gold star by my name" thread?

And who did you call exactly? What number did you dial?

177 posted on 03/20/2011 7:36:35 AM PDT by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: Sarah-bot

Again, you misunderstand me. I agree that to win a war the will of the enemy has to break. Do you advocate genocide as the best way to do that?


178 posted on 03/20/2011 7:42:55 AM PDT by elhombrelibre ("I'd rather be ruled by the Tea Party than the Democratic Party." Norman Podhoretz)
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To: humblegunner

Yes it was. I don’t like being accused of fraud. How about you Humble? Your credentials are as shallow as anyone’s on this site. The fact that you put gunner in your handle could mean that you are compensating for something. Frankly, I believe you.


179 posted on 03/20/2011 7:43:22 AM PDT by Sarah-bot
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To: elhombrelibre

No, not genocide. I simply believe you have to do what Sherman did. Is that fair?


180 posted on 03/20/2011 7:45:19 AM PDT by Sarah-bot
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