Posted on 03/11/2011 3:23:18 PM PST by wagglebee
Why bother eating? Why not just pray and expect God to place the food directly in your stomach?
Feeding tubes are not extraordinary measures. Sometimes they're needed just for a period of time to allow someone to heal. Would you deny them that? Or should they starve first?
Isn't showing compassion to those who are unable to care for themselves and ministering to them a better witness than standing by waiting for a miracle while they suffer and starve?
Matthew 25:31-40 31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' 37Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?' 40And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'
I can’t tell you the number of people who think they speak for God when talking to someone with a medical condition.
*You’re not healed because you don’t have enough faith.*
*Prove you have enough faith to be healed by stopping and tossing your medicine and God will do it.*
*If you go to doctors, you won’t ever see healing because you’re not trusting God. Just wait on Him for a miracle.*
It’s not like I don’t believe that God can heal. I just don’t believe that everyone who lectures me about my faith is speaking for God. I’m getting pretty sick of all the judgment I’ve been getting heaped on my because I’m still dealing with a lifelong condition and haven’t been healed yet.
I’m not into blackmailing God into forcing His action based on mine. I am not going to hold Him hostage.
2 Corinthians 8:1-5
1We want you to know, brothers, about the grace of God that has been given among the churches of Macedonia, 2for in a severe test of affliction, their abundance of joy and their extreme poverty have overflowed in a wealth of generosity on their part. 3For they gave according to their means, as I can testify, and beyond their means, of their own accord, 4begging us earnestly for the favor of taking part in the relief of the saints— 5and this, not as we expected, but they gave themselves first to the Lord and then by the will of God to us. 6Accordingly, we urged Titus that as he had started, so he should complete among you this act of grace. 7But as you excel in everything—in faith, in speech, in knowledge, in all earnestness, and in our love for you— see that you excel in this act of grace also.
Exactly. Got also gives us reason, and knowledge, and talents, and skills. He wants people to use and develop them.
This is different situation. This FR thread below, sounds what you are on about. If this illegal immigrant problem isn’t fixed at all levels, NOTHING will be. “Martin Memorial Center in Stuart, chartered a plane to take Luis Alberto Jimenez back to his native Guatemala. An illegal immigrant, he had cost the hospital more than $1 million after a car accident left him in a coma.” Facing ever-increasing financial losses, Miami-Dade’s struggling Jackson Health System has spent $33 million this year alone on caring for undocumented immigrants.
On a quiet street in northwestern Miami, a Jackson nursing home serves 60 undocumented immigrants — some paralyzed, quite a few on ventilators — costing Miami-Dade taxpayers about $318 a day per patient.
``There’s no way to place them anywhere else,’’ says Armand Gonzalez, administrator of the Jackson Memorial Long-Term Care Center.
The cost of their care is part of the reason why the county’s public hospital system is struggling with growing financial losses that border on the disastrous. Losses are expected to escalate to $168 million next year because of South Florida’s unique problems — high numbers of uninsured and high healthcare costs that keep increasing the ranks of the uninsured.
On the national level, the issue of undocumented immigrants has become politically explosive.
Care costs for undocumented immigrants stack up http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2332523/posts
South Florida’s problem is not so ‘unique’ any more is it?
You’re nothing but a tar baby. Dishonest to the bone.
“You’re nothing but a tar baby”
That’s pretty racist. you should take a break.
LOL! Racist? I hate rabbits? Or Southerners? Or figurines made of tar?
Go drink some beer and get zotted in the morning.
“LOL! Racist?”
What, no sense of humor? or dost thou protest too much?
You shouldn’t throw insults around if your skin is too thin to take the reply.
You should stick to relevant facts of the thread and dial back the insults - not because I can’t take it, but because you can’t - and it’s boring, and off-topic.
Now returning to the thread.....Are there limits to charity?
“The cost of their care is part of the reason why the county’s public hospital system is struggling with growing financial losses that border on the disastrous. Losses are expected to escalate to $168 million next year because of South Florida’s unique problems — high numbers of uninsured and high healthcare costs that keep increasing the ranks of the uninsured”
Yet so many on this thread will argue that pointing this out is some how not “pro-life”.
They would rather a hospital close, than discuss whether patients who need extreme care and do not pay make the care unavailable to everyone.
Theirs is the Obama plan for limiting healthcare - make it unavailable to many and limited for everyone.
No discussion - only accusations that you want to “kill people because they are poor”.
No discussion, no solutions, only whining about trying to find a way to solve a problem.
reasonable infererence.
Spoken like a true troll that has nothing to say.
You: Why would you assume it’s different from yours?
A typical troll comes on a thread and never gives their opinion but pokes and ridicules others who do. That fits you perfectly.
What is YOUR opinion on feeding people?
The troll keeps asking about the limits of charity falsely claiming that no one has answereed him; at least 3 people have answered him, with some detail.
Yet the scum refuses to give his own POV about anything. I summed up his approach above, 100% troll tactics.
No discussion, no solutions, only whining about trying to find a way to solve a problem.
There has been plenty of discussion of alternative methods of caring for people without insurance, ideas to fix waste and fraud, and so on.
I think he should get zotted; he's shamelessly lying, goading, attacking others on false grounds, using all the standard troll methods.
I have talked with this person before and it is their SOP.
“Spoken like a true troll that has nothing to say.”
I suggest you stick to the thread, and stop insulting me. I don’t mind, but you’re getting repetitive.
“A typical troll comes on a thread and never gives their opinion but pokes and ridicules others who do. That fits you perfectly.”
Oh, but I did give my opinion. You just don’t like it, or you didn’t bother to read it. Rather than address why or defend your own, you choose instead to insult with no real purpose or effect.
“What is YOUR opinion on feeding people?”
Thank you for trying meaningful dialog for a change.....I assume you are talking about this particular woman and this particular case. The hospital decided on her treatment, they DO have an obligation to continue it. So I think what the hospital did was wrong in removing her feeding tube. I do also realize the problem doesn’t just end there, but there you go.
“I have talked with this person before and it is their SOP.”
No, you and I just disagree, and when you throw out insults I sometimes return in kind. Mine are usually more creative than yours and it infuriates you - leading you to - ping the Admin Moderator?
Debate, dialog - every time you’ve tried it, I’ve responded in kind, have I not?
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