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USAF set to take next step on T-38 replacement
Flight Global ^ | 02/14/2011

Posted on 02/14/2011 11:44:08 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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1 posted on 02/14/2011 11:44:21 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

T-38 is one beautiful ship.


2 posted on 02/14/2011 11:46:41 AM PST by rahbert
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It would be cool if the Aermacchi would win. It’s a soviet design by Yakolew (Yak-130). That would mark the absolute end of the cold war.


3 posted on 02/14/2011 11:50:29 AM PST by buzzer
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To: rahbert

Always loved that plane. The T-50 is a beastie too.


4 posted on 02/14/2011 11:53:35 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tyrants flourish only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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To: rahbert

This article is making me feel old. I trained in the T-38 and instructed in it for 4 years. It’s a beautiful ship. Lots of good memories.


5 posted on 02/14/2011 11:55:11 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: rahbert

T-38? What happened to the T-33? Dammit, no one tells me anything anymore!


6 posted on 02/14/2011 11:56:13 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Man up, Mubarak ... you're Air Force and you done OK!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If our tax dollars are buying it I still believe it should be made here.


7 posted on 02/14/2011 11:56:53 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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If our tax dollars are buying it I still believe it should be made here.

You may rest assured that the most expensive option woill be chosen. Regardless of the chosen design's origins, it will be built here.

8 posted on 02/14/2011 11:59:10 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Man up, Mubarak ... you're Air Force and you done OK!)
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To: rahbert
NASA shuttle pilots used to fly them. The control tower and departure control used to tell the pilots, "cleared for maximum performance takeoff and departure", whether they asked for it or not!

He'd go wheels up about ten feet off the runway, gain full thrust, and after about six thousand feet down the runway would make a right angle vertical climb like a pocket rocket, with rolls as he climbed to around 10,000 feet, which took about one minute.

Normally there are speed limits in that kind of airspace, but everyone needs a thrill now and then.

9 posted on 02/14/2011 12:03:24 PM PST by blackdog
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To: sukhoi-30mki
She's a beauty!
10 posted on 02/14/2011 12:07:39 PM PST by equaviator ("There's a (datum) plane on the horizon coming in...see it?")
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To: rahbert

I got an orientation ride in one when I was a unit SJA. An hour of aerobatics (came back with both bags dry, thankyouverymuch!) gave me an entirely new appreciation for why fighter pilots are so self-confident. It took me 20 minutes to get out of the flight suit - I just kept sitting back down on the bench to recover.

Colonel, USAFR


11 posted on 02/14/2011 12:19:53 PM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

General Chuck Yeagar loved the fighter version of the T-38, the F-5 Tigershark.

One retired USAF AMC / American airlines pilot told me the T-38 and the C-5 were his favorite airframes.

I have a picture of myself back in 1979 sitting inside a T-38. My mother got to fly in a T-33 back in 1962. I recently took a picture of her standing next to it at the Travis AFB museum!


12 posted on 02/14/2011 12:22:43 PM PST by Tea Party Reveler
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You’re lucky as a Staff Judge Advocate you weren’t thrown out of that airplane! Ha ahahaha!


13 posted on 02/14/2011 12:23:55 PM PST by Tea Party Reveler
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The specs clearly indicate that the T-50 most closely replaces the T-38, and with the F404 there is commonality for depot level engine maintenance with Navy and Marine Corps F/A-18s.

But the Hawk has engine and some airframe commonality with the Navy T-45 Goshawk, so there is a case to be made for it as well.

I can't believe that the Alenia T-100 is subsonic with that much thrust (12,500 lbs according to the chart.)

14 posted on 02/14/2011 12:28:39 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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General Chuck Yeagar(sic) loved the fighter version of the T-38, the F-5 Tigershark.

General Yeager was a paid spokesman for the F-20 Tigershark. The F-20 was an F-5 re-engined with a single F404, and was aimed at the export market. Once F-16s were approved for export sale, nobody wanted the F-20.


15 posted on 02/14/2011 12:36:11 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Tea Party Reveler

I had a death grip on my IP’s helmet.

Colonel, USAFR


16 posted on 02/14/2011 12:36:57 PM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

There is a T-38 sitting wheels-up on Runway 22 at Ellington Field in Houston, TX today. Wasn’t there when I went home from work on Friday, but saw the thing this morning when the fog rolled away. Guess someone had an exciting weekend.


17 posted on 02/14/2011 12:42:11 PM PST by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If the AF just needs to ditch a few T-38s I have a hanger for one. Just sayin’.


18 posted on 02/14/2011 1:03:46 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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The fighter version of the T-38 is the F-5 "Freedom Fighter".

The F-20 was a single engine variant that was intended to be an entry in what ended up as the flyoff between the YF-16 and YF-17. The F-20 was christened the "Tigershark" by Northrop for marketing purposes.

Gen Yeager liked the F-20 but he was also acting as a representative of Northrop to sell it.

19 posted on 02/14/2011 1:07:32 PM PST by pfflier
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I was ATC at an F16 base, but one of the best "quick climbs" I ever saw was a T38. I cleared him for takeoff. He accelerated down the runway but when he went airborne he didn't angle up in the slightest. He kept almost the same level as when he was rolling. He just sucked the landing gear up and kept accelerating. He flew past the end of the runway, past the overrun, and I lost sight of him in the trees. Then another half mile off the end of the runway, he pops that thing straight up. Beautiful.

Of course it was a Sunday afternoon and the base golf course was in that area, so it wasn't five minutes before our phone rang with some general demanding to know the name of the pilot.

20 posted on 02/14/2011 1:28:07 PM PST by Teotwawki (To Him be the glory throughout all generations.)
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