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Rush Limbaugh: The US Manufacturing Myth
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | 02/09/2011 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 02/09/2011 11:32:17 PM PST by iowamark

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To: iowamark

Rush is dead wrong here. The market isn’t speaking, greed is. No one in the US with our standard of living, taxes, and regulation can compete with a nation that does not have those things. That is not a fair market. It is not fair we American businesses must compete with Chinese businesses.

America is a country, not a business. We have our own economic system. If China wants to compete within our markets they must play within our system.


61 posted on 02/10/2011 6:59:45 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: iowamark

Get rid of the income tax. Nothing else would even come close to that in helping America manufacturing.


62 posted on 02/10/2011 7:03:53 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Ban abortion NOW.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

“What he is saying is that the amount of total manufacturing has stayed the same”

Only in dollar amounts and only when compared to decades ago. The number of items, the tonnage, and percentage of GDP has been shrinking year after year. They also play loose with the numbers in that Apple will say the iPhone is an American product and take credit for the entire amount of sales as an Amrican produced item when clearly the majority of the phone is produced outside the US.


63 posted on 02/10/2011 7:05:48 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: mewykwistmas

Excellent post. Apple makes plenty of prift such as to be able to assemble in the US but they want that extra $12.


64 posted on 02/10/2011 7:09:29 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
'German companies also do not provide healthcare for their employees, the govt. does....."

For the sake of factual accuracy, I would point out that German employers do indeed contribute to their employee's healthcare coverage. The difference is that rather than the employer paying into a managed, private health plan, the employer pays their portion of the employee premiums into a government run health-plan (for almost all employees). It is true, however, that the employer insurance premium contributions in Germany are generally much lower than the contributions paid by their American competitors.

65 posted on 02/10/2011 7:39:59 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: iowamark
Now, the Apple iPhone is assembled in China, but all the guts are not made in China. There are parts made in America, parts made in Switzerland, parts made in parts of Europe.

He says the Iphone is really made in America and then lists all the places that the parts are produced. A contradictory statement. Rush is wrong about manufacturing, anyone who has lived as long as I have can see we have lost a huge base of manufacturing and only some of it can be laid to automation.

66 posted on 02/10/2011 7:44:14 AM PST by calex59
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To: iowamark
Now, the Apple iPhone is assembled in China, but all the guts are not made in China. There are parts made in America, parts made in Switzerland, parts made in parts of Europe.

He says the iphone is really made in America and then lists all the places that the parts are produced. A contradictory statement. Rush is wrong about manufacturing, anyone who has lived as long as I have can see we have lost a huge base of manufacturing and only some of it can be laid to automation.

67 posted on 02/10/2011 7:44:24 AM PST by calex59
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; raybbr
"Actually if China made coffee pots for $5 and it would cost $10 here..."

Actually, that's probably not accurate. They wouldn't be sold for $10 here, they'd probably be sold at a price point that is 10-15% less than the American made price point. So, if the price point for the American coffee pot is $30, then the Chinese version would be (roughly) $26-27, even though it only cost $5 to make. That's why companies move to China - there's exponentially more profit potential there.

As several others have pointed out, the Apple products are a great example of this. For what Apple charges (and gets) for the iPhone, they could still make money hand over fist even if the entire phone was built and assembled in the US. But, they can make exponentially more money if they produce in China, instead. The iPhone costs somewhere between $6-15 (depending on published report) to manufacturer in China. That same phone would cost about 7-8, times that. BUT, the iPhone is sold at a multiple between 40-50. See the difference?

68 posted on 02/10/2011 7:47:41 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: EternalVigilance
"Get rid of the income tax. Nothing else would even come close to that in helping America manufacturing."

It would help, but it's not a panacea. The onerous regulatory burdens placed on manufacturing create costs not incurred in foreign assembly plants. Taxes are applied to profits, not revenue. The problem is, to make something in the US at a price point that is competitive in the market place, it is (sometimes) even difficult to to turn a profit, let alone worry about the taxes on that profit.

Back to the iPhone example that seems to be popular on this thread, most electronic components aren't made in the US for two primary reason. One is labor, and the other is hazardous waste disposal. There are dozens, sometimes hundreds of hazardous waste materials generated as a bi-product of making those components. In America, that increases costs dramatically. In China, it doesn't. That goes straight to the bottom line, and it's not a little number.

Yes, our tax structure hurts us, but we have regulated our way out of the manufacturing business as well.

69 posted on 02/10/2011 7:55:12 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: iowamark

If, as apparently many people of this forum believe, success is measured by how many Americans work in factories as different from how much the manufacturing sector produces, then we are going downhill. But we’ve been losing people in manufacturing jobs for decades. We have to look at the total picture. The key question: is the U.S. still a country where a person can expect to succeed and have an excellent standard of living? The answer is yes, but we have to drive out all the libs and far-left radicals currently running things. Left in charge, Obama and his pals will have us looking like a third-world country in no time flat.


70 posted on 02/10/2011 8:03:00 AM PST by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: BOBWADE
You can’t build a product here and pay employees $30 per hour when the same task can be accomplished for a dollar an hour in Asia

I had this very conversation with a Plant Manager in Mexico - this was 10-12 years ago, right at the height of shipping stuff over there.

He told me that if you pay Americans $9-10/hour, they get P.O.'d and quit on you. He said that where he was (and at that time) they paid the local labor pool $9-10 / day, plus benefit,s and they were thrilled because they were making three times what they could doing the same thing elsewhere. And working inside, with medical care, and so on.

It was an eye-opener, to be sure.

71 posted on 02/10/2011 8:03:12 AM PST by wbill
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Actually if China made coffee pots for $5 and it would cost $10 here, we would make none at all, since nobody would pay $10 for a $5 coffee pot.

Completely ignored the point of my post. Not surprised.

72 posted on 02/10/2011 8:08:43 AM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: PastorBooks

Sunday Reflection: Does America have a lawyer problem, or a law problem?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2669639/posts

EEOC now claims obesity is a disability under ADAAA

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Environmentalists Are Killing Jobs And The Economy

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A License to Shampoo: Jobs Needing State Approval Rise

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2669925/posts

...and we wonder why we can’t compete.


73 posted on 02/10/2011 8:23:30 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: OldDeckHand

Certainly regulation is part of the problem, no doubt.

But it isn’t just the tax burden. It’s the costs of compliance. It’s the burden placed on capital, which is one of the most important ingredients in any business enterprise.

Regulatory reform is structural repair. Eliminating the income tax and everything that goes with it would be a refurbishing and reinforcing of the foundations of our national prosperity.


74 posted on 02/10/2011 8:27:32 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Ban abortion NOW.)
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To: iowamark

My eye opener was when I visited China on business.

I went on several tours of Chinese factories. There were huge rooms of workers bustin their butts to make electrical switches by hand. Our company had a machine back in the US that made the same switch but could make 100 times more than each of the workers on that Chinese production line. Final cost of the switches ended up being similar.

With labor costs so cheap there is no real drive to innovate more efficient ways of production. They just figure the cost of the machine is too high to justify. They will just add more people.

Driving on a 4 lane freeway under construction we noticed no large equipment. They were only using shovels and wheelbarrows. There were at least a thousand workers.

The inefficiency is startling. The workers are busting their butts for measly wages. But somebody is making huge profits. I think they are ripe for a revolt in the future.


75 posted on 02/10/2011 8:48:13 AM PST by toast
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To: Hot Tabasco

“42% income tax on incomes over $39k

19% Sales Tax

Employee Health Insurance: 15.5% of employee’s gross earnings”


Is that the real tax rate or the technical one? Maybe it’s like 36% for high earners but they pay less than 20% on average after loopholes and deductions?


76 posted on 02/10/2011 8:51:30 AM PST by mewykwistmas ("Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river. ")
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To: mewykwistmas

This is an ICV look at the product and doesn’t account for the $ spent on development. As an example for a $100M in sales site our material costs are $40M, our labor&overhead are $10M which translates to a profit of 50M except that we spend 20M on engineering and another 5-10 to develop and implemnet a new product. These type of analysis are incomplete and do not account for the investment aspect of business which is all done up front and not in the ICV calculation.


77 posted on 02/10/2011 9:15:00 AM PST by reed13
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To: Senator John Blutarski

those jobs STAYED IN AMERICA, that is the difference!


78 posted on 02/10/2011 9:32:36 AM PST by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: LS

I dont think it is education.

We had a thread like this 4 years ago, I bookmarked it on why free trade was never the answer

It aint education, and it isn’t just the sending of jobs overseas, it does have some profit motive with greed, but much has to do with corporate survival to compete against those who went overseas while you sayed here to remain patriotic, only to move yourself overseas to keep your corporation afloat!


79 posted on 02/10/2011 9:38:03 AM PST by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: PastorBooks

I’ll give you that one, particularly now in the obama era, but the rest of the answers to me on this thread are just plain stupid.

They are so obsessed with Americans making money, that it is OK to screw them over. Well OK then...


80 posted on 02/10/2011 10:18:35 AM PST by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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