It's Finish Quantum Powerball (They have some other formulas, but this one seems to work the best)
Posted on 01/25/2011 6:41:58 AM PST by Kaslin
This explains why I can only find boxes of phosphate-free "TSP" at the local stores.
I can't refute the pollution claim, but I can refute the idea that dishwasher detergent has any significant role in the pollution of the Bay.
“Now I just need to figure out how to re-configure the toilet flush to use hot water instead of cold. That’ll teach em!”
Good idea on another level too: Cold water makes the tank drip a lot in muggy weather (no A.C.) and warm fill water would stop that cold. Uh, maybe stop it “warm”?
My county banned Scott’s Weed and Feed - best fertilizer out there...
Idiots
They do that out in California all the time, when the air nazis come out with the "spare the air" snitches.
Much less than half the dish dtergent goes through water treatment in the Chesapeake Bay watershed,... lots and lots of suburbs, exurbs and rural areas with septics and leech fields.
Hot water toilets are common in Alaska.
Boy was I surprised when I sat down!
I think it keeps the pipes frm freezing.
NOT ONE OF THESE PACKAGES HAD PHOSPHATES!
See my post #25 regarding my conversation with an ACE employee.
Basically it this:
Phosphates are banned in consumer goods in my state (and 16 others), as such we have ‘phosphate free’ Tri-Sodium-Phosphate (meaning it's NOT TSP, just sold as such) and it's active ingredient is an acid - yes, and acid - just depends which acid by brand..
Take a LOOK at the label of your TSP, if it's old, go the the store and read the label of a new package of the same brand, in small print it just may say ‘Phosphate Free’...
Not fast enough. Still too expensive.
I looked at my dish washer soap and I couldn’t find any place that said what was in it. I’ll check other brands next time I shop.
I just poured white vinegar into the rinse aid box, seems to have solved the film problem.
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It's Finish Quantum Powerball (They have some other formulas, but this one seems to work the best)
yeah, well, you answer your own question. killing huge swathes of the bay doesn’t mean it will never return, it just means it takes a long time.
bed bugs were killed in ‘huge swathes’ too, but they slowly came back when the use of certain pesticides was banned.
when huge swathes of the chesapeake die, it isn’t really obvious from the surface. it is obvious to fisherman, and to anyone who knows what the chesapeake was like before it was decimated by pollution and by exploitive fishing/oyster harvesting. it was full of life.
comparing bay ecosystem to a some of the pests that bother humans is problematic. first, you simply can’t compare the amount of industrial and human waste that goes into the ocean to the relatively small amounts of poison that we use in and around our bodies and houses to get rid of pests. it’s an order of magnitude different in scale.
the problem isn’t that some of the life in the bay will survive, or just the strong species will make it, it’s that a healthy marine ecosystem that produces a large amount of healthy sea food that we like to eat is something we want to take care of, not poison or take for granted.
oysters are a great example. we want the bay to be full of them. oysters should be fat and free from carcinogens.the oysters have completely disappeared from certain parts of the bay. even though it hasn’t been harvested in decades, they’re still gone. point is, it can take decades, centuries, or even thousands of years for certain kinds of populations of sea creatures to recover from exploitation and pollution. some never recover.
It’s water soluble, and used in small amounts compared to the volume of water in the dishwasher. It rinses right off. I use it every time, but don’t exceed 1/4 teaspoon.
“My local ACE hardware store only sells TSP that is ‘Phosphate free’”
I’ve heard of this but not seen it. Yes, you have to be sure to get the “real deal”, at least while it’s still legal!
“Do I just toss it in the soap dispenser with the soap?”
I spread 1/4 teaspoon between the prewash and regular wash compartments before I close the compartment lid.
True points, and thanks for the insight.
I’m no marine specialist of any kind, of course, but am educated enough to know your description of the issue is a correct one.
I just feel we all have to be extremely careful when saying something we do that isn’t blatant is having “unintended consequences of large proportions.”
For example as some other posters stated, I’m sure there is some huge farm or another source of the issues that is government OK’d that is the true cause, not our home washing water... on that note, why isn’t that drainage water from our houses treated anyway? Can’t they distill it all or some process that would separate out any non-h20 before dumping it (I know I’m likely truly showing my ignorance now!).
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