Fall of Rome Recorded in Trees

ScienceNOW ^ | 13 January 2011 | Andrew Curry

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

‘Funny, I would have guessed several hundred years of autocratic leadership, often by mental incompetents, bankruptcy, a declining birthrate, disease, and constant warfare...but maybe those were cool years too.’

All of these things led to civilizational collapse, but most of them went on all the time, not just during colder times. The declining birthrates and disease seems to be especially tied to colder weather.

[Captain Beyond]

GGG ping

[jsh3180]

The real story is that Europe was deeply in trouble before the weather changed for the worse in the mid 1300’s AD.
Italian bankers in Florence and Venice, primarily the Bardi and Peruzzi families had ruled over Europe for 150 years. You know, he who holds the gold, makes the rules. These banksters put the monetary screws to kings and nobility of Europe. Their greed and lending practices led to both France and England defaulting on their national debt. The bankers began having severe financial problems, so they tightened the screws on credit, put the squeeze on debtors.
As they say, some things never change, what goes around comes around.
The bankers squeezed. Feudal nobility was in debt to their eyeballs and they put the squeeze on the poor downtrodden serfs, raising tax levels to a point where the serfs could not feed their families, could not afford to borrow from “the company store” to buy seed to plant the following year. I believe it was winter 1341 or thereabouts when it got so bad, they ate what little supply of seed they had for planting the following spring.
Mass starvation and famine set in. In the space of 7 years half the population died.
Then things really went downhill, the weather changed and freezing cold and dampness set in. TSHTF.

[Tainan]

This is the wattle, The symbol of our land

You can put it in a bottle, You can hold it in Your hand.
Australia, Australia, Australia!

Right Bruce!

[SunkenCiv]

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[steelyourfaith]

 

Beam me to Planet Gore !

[Wonder Warthog]

"The black death had nothing to do with muzzies catapulting rotting bodies over the walls of cities under siege before the escapees carried the plague back to europe. Nope. It was the climate."

Actually, there is evidence that the black plague WAS a result of the change in climate.

But you miss the real point....the data here actually says that WARMER IS BETTER, despite the last line of the abstract. So this study is actually another nail in the coffin of global warming hysteria.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Those Roman Chariots were one of the worst creators of global warming."

Man, they must have fed those horses some POTENT beans.

[Moltke]

"If you have enough wood, the dating is secure."

That statement, taken out of context, could easily be misinterpreted.

[IrishCatholic]

Thank you.
It’s a personal pet peeve of mine.
It illustrates silliness of P.C.

[Hugin]

Isn’t that what the report says.

Yes, but the article tries t draw the opposite concludion.

[neverdem]

Survey finds health-care reform bad for patients, worse for doctors

Scientists bring cancer cells back under control

Do We Really Know Earth’s Temperature?

Corrupting Psychiatry

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.

[muawiyah]

As has been noted before it's whatever you want it to be. If you want to say "a long time ago", that's OK. Or, you could say 5,000 years after the beginning of the great meltdown ~ a little more obscure but still gets you in the neighborhood.

NONE of the methods is Biblical.

[muawiyah]

Yes, plagues occur most readily in the aftermath of a cool period with plenty of rain followed by a cool dry period where grass thrives. When grass does well so do the nut trees, and when they do well, the rodent population skyrockets.

And so on. Whether it's the fleas and other vermin on the rodents or the rodents themselves, that's the way you get it.

Rotting corpses of humans usually aren't all that good a vector anyway.

Now, a point about the Islamics spreading plague, they forgot to spread the earlier and even worse one called The Plague of Justinian.

That's because there was no Islam at that time.

You can argue that plague gave rise to Islam as a major military and cultural power ~ mostly by killing off everybody but the desert Arabs.

[Fiji Hill]

“BC” and “AD” have been used for two millennia. “BCE” and “CE” are of recent origin and clearly Christophobic. I first encountered “BCE” and “CE” in a book published in Communist East Germany.

[neverdem]

You can argue that plague gave rise to Islam as a major military and cultural power ~ mostly by killing off everybody but the desert Arabs.

LOL! Not a bad correlation, but I wouldn't restrict it to just desert Arabs.

With my winter eczema, I'll take warming.

[GOPJ]

Thanks for the ping.

[Walkingfeather]

LOL

[GOPJ]

More climate hysteria disguised as policy-neutral scientific inquiry.

My first impression too.