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Rounding Up the Guns - What not to do (Interview of John R. Lott Jr. by Kathryn Jean Lopez)
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE ^ | January 13, 2011 | John R. Lott Jr. & Kathryn Jean Lopez

Posted on 01/15/2011 11:02:37 AM PST by neverdem

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To: OldDeckHand

Why don’t we pass a law to keep drugs out of the hands of drug abusers?

Now that we have solved all the gun and drug problems in the world we can pass a law that muzzies can no longer murder innocents and must profess their love of Jews.

Not bad work for a few minutes of liberal brainstorming.


41 posted on 01/16/2011 11:45:03 AM PST by Eaker (In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity. Albert Einstein)
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To: OldDeckHand

I’ll let the words of a man who has studied this history in more depth than anyone else in America speak for me :”In every instance, we have data that show that when a ban is imposed, murder rates rise.” John Lott.

I can only surmise, from your instance of imposing ‘sensible gun control’ that you either think he’s a liar, or you will find increased murder rates acceptable.


42 posted on 01/16/2011 11:45:38 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: OldDeckHand

You sound as if you have some serious anger management issues.

Perhaps we should take your guns away.


43 posted on 01/16/2011 12:25:04 PM PST by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: OldDeckHand

Here’s a soulmate of yours: “Rendell calls for ‘early detection system’ for mentally ill”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657853/posts


44 posted on 01/16/2011 12:36:26 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Balding_Eagle
"I can only surmise, from your instance of imposing ‘sensible gun control’ that you either think he’s a liar, or you will find increased murder rates acceptable."

What I think is that you're an idiot. I thought that was clear. My apologies if you thought I was ambiguous on the subject.

You think it perfectly fine a municipal court judge can tell a woman she too mentally incapacitated that she cannot have control, or even access to the money she earned, but you've got big problems with that same judge telling her that she can have access to all the firearms she wants.

The stupid, does it burn?

45 posted on 01/16/2011 12:38:05 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Eaker
"Why don’t we pass a law to keep drugs out of the hands of drug abusers?"

Right, and why don't we pass laws to keep child molesters 100 yards from schools. Let me guess, you've got a problem with that too? You know, the 1A freedom to peacefully assemble, and all that.

46 posted on 01/16/2011 12:39:38 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: AAABEST
"You sound as if you have some serious anger management issues."

Wow, what insight. Are you enjoying your day off from the car wash?

47 posted on 01/16/2011 12:40:27 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Svartalfiar

“And if he can’t be trusted, then why is he out of prison?”

If he can’t be trusted, why is out walking around ALIVE?

Imprisoning people seldom helps. If they can’t be trusted, better to kill them outright.


48 posted on 01/16/2011 12:41:20 PM PST by Old Student
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To: OldDeckHand

I’m all for ANY AND EVERY BODY can carry a firearm. The singers that shave their heads included. This moron in Tucson included. The gang banger just released from prison included, as he will aquire a firearm soon anyway. If truly good citizens take firearms carry seriously, the lunies will either think better to keep their guns holstered, or become a positive statistic in the war against crime.

That, and I don’t want ANYONE to have say over whether or not I can carry firearms. Too many people with that kind of authority are corrupt.


49 posted on 01/16/2011 12:57:43 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Be instrumental in the REVIVAL that will heal our land. ><BCC>)
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To: OldDeckHand

Supercat answered that question upstream.

For nearly 200 years, we treated guns and people in the way I’ve been arguing we should do again. Then, for a while, people like you got the upper hand, and, as John Lott has indisputably proven, and crime rates went up.

Your side has always been comfortable with a certain level of violence and death, but the American people are tiring of it.

Now, we are beginning to turn things back to a more sensible attitude towards guns, people, respect of our inalienable rights, and of the Constitution.

AZ won’t change that. It’s only been a week, but at first glance it looks like it may speed things up for our side.

Your need to resort to personal attacks in an apparent effort to somehow elicit an angry responses aren’t working the way you want them to. They simply reflect an uncertainly of the strength of your arguments. Most Freepers instinctively know that. You’ll need to change your tactics.


50 posted on 01/16/2011 1:18:12 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: OldDeckHand
It is a complicated issue, and less review the entirety of the Spears situation to prove it.

The question of whether a person's mental incapacity justifies temporarily or permanently depriving the person of his/her freedom is a complicated one. The RKBA question seems comparatively simple by contrast. Free persons have the right to keep and bear arms. Non-free persons do not.

I wish that line of reasoning would be articulated more for a couple of reasons:

  1. Leftists frequently seek to disarm people for conduct which the public would regard as being in no way a legitimate basis for denying people their freedom as a whole; under the guns==freedom rule, such disarmament would be clearly forbidden.
  2. A recognition that only non-free people can be legitimately disarmed might help more people make the mental connection of what those seeking disarmament are really seeking.
I would agree that the question of what circumstances justify depriving people of their freedom is a complicated one, but that doesn't imply the RKBA issue itself is.
51 posted on 01/16/2011 2:07:12 PM PST by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: OldDeckHand
why don't we pass laws to keep child molesters 100 yards from schools.

We have them and ALL the perverts are gone?

Really?

I was being sarcastic not realizing that you really believe that passing a law will stop people already presupposed to break the law.

Here is a little heads up, they don't. They make people who break said laws prosecutable, they may cut down the occurrences but they don't prevent the activity.

Here's a little exercise you can participate in yourself. If you are allowed to drive do so and pay attention to the other drivers. After a while you will notice that even though there are maximum allowed speed limits people exceed the rate noted on the signs.

The people speeding as typical Americans are not hard core criminals yet they are still breaking the law. Take it a step further and think about hard core criminals. Do you think another gun law will alter their intentions or activities?

Here is a subtle hint.

IT WILL NOT!

52 posted on 01/16/2011 3:30:42 PM PST by Eaker (In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity. Albert Einstein)
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To: OldDeckHand

Hey DeckHand. Why have you got your panties in a wad? I DO in fact know what due process means. Apparantly you don’t because you never mentioned anything about it in your post. You only mentioned someone “acting weird”. Do you believe someone simply acting weird should be disallowed under the 2nd Amendment to posses a firearm BEFORE due process? Because that’s what your statement says.
My guess is that you’re either a current or former LEO. Got an authority issue?


53 posted on 01/16/2011 7:41:53 PM PST by rickomatic
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To: Cobra64
Removeable handgun magazines have been referred to as “clips” for many decades.

I am sure that for the same period of time, people claim that such usage is incorrect. It is similar to calling a revolver a “pistol”. It may be technically inaccurate, but the usage is so widespread and common that it has little relevance.

54 posted on 01/17/2011 5:30:27 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Removeable handgun magazines have been referred to as “clips” for many decades.

It's still wrong. Observe the misspellings and grammar usage today; it's pathetic.

55 posted on 01/17/2011 12:11:57 PM PST by Cobra64
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