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Rounding Up the Guns - What not to do (Interview of John R. Lott Jr. by Kathryn Jean Lopez)
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE ^ | January 13, 2011 | John R. Lott Jr. & Kathryn Jean Lopez

Posted on 01/15/2011 11:02:37 AM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 01/15/2011 11:02:38 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
"Do people really want to forbid gun ownership to law-abiding individuals who have never been convicted of a crime?"

I like John Lott, but to answer his question - maybe. I would never prohibit gun ownership absent due process, but I wouldn't necessarily say someone had to be convicted of a crime.

For example - Britney Spears. Britney was such a danger to herself or others, that she was institutionalized and her rights were substantively stripped from her and placed with a conservator. She was not convicted of any crime before those steps were taken.

In the days immediately surrounding the period she shaved her head, would anyone argue that young woman was in a state of mind to handle firearms - or even butter knives?

2 posted on 01/15/2011 11:13:06 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: neverdem

Wow. A reporter actually asking honest questions, and letting Lott answer. Kudos to her for at least letting him speak. I hope she listened.


3 posted on 01/15/2011 11:22:22 AM PST by rickomatic
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To: OldDeckHand
In the days immediately surrounding the period she shaved her head, would anyone argue that young woman was in a state of mind to handle firearms - or even butter knives?

I didn't realize that the 2nd Amendment actually read: "A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, unless of course a woman shaves her head and acts like an idiot."
4 posted on 01/15/2011 11:26:35 AM PST by rickomatic
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To: neverdem
"Clips are very easy to cheaply make..."

Lott wrote a book and can't even get firearms nomenclature right.

Has anyone ever tried to put a "clip" in a handgun?

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5 posted on 01/15/2011 11:30:52 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: rickomatic
Idiotic statements like that one, is what gives ammunition to the anti-gun nuts.

Does the 2nd Amendment say anything about prohibition of weapons for convicted felons? Nope. Does that mean you want your local gang-banger who just walked out of state prison on a 10-year bit for aggravated assault to be able to purchase his weapon de jure at the local Walmart?

No need to answer. With the first smart-ass answer you gave, I can only imagine what other nonsense you'll spout.

Really, try to research the phrase "due process", if that's within your grasp.

6 posted on 01/15/2011 11:32:28 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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Quality magazines in all reality are not that easy to make. A lot of misfeeds in semi-auto handguns are due to poor quality of magazines or sub-components.

I used to work in metal stamping. Forming a precision box from a piece of flat sheetmetal is not a trivial thing.


7 posted on 01/15/2011 12:17:26 PM PST by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: OldDeckHand
I like John Lott, but to answer his question - maybe. I would never prohibit gun ownership absent due process, but I wouldn't necessarily say someone had to be convicted of a crime.

Even the NRA agrees with the provision for being adjudicated a threat to yoursel or others, but in NY you need two physicians to swear to it, IIRC, and maybe one has to be a psychiatrist.

8 posted on 01/15/2011 12:28:32 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: OldDeckHand

I have trouble with Lott’s statement, too.

But I think the problem does not rest with the FBI, who cleared him because he had no arrest record, but with Sheriff Dupnik, who received numerous complaints from credible sources, including the college that gave him the boot, that he was crazy, dangerous, and had threatened to kill people, but who did nothing because Loughner’s mother was an influential fellow Democrat in the County government.

If there was a big mistake, it was Dupnik’s. The FBI just followed the rules.


9 posted on 01/15/2011 12:30:01 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: JohnRLott

Thanks for the info!


10 posted on 01/15/2011 12:34:23 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: OldDeckHand
In the days immediately surrounding the period she shaved her head, would anyone argue that young woman was in a state of mind to handle firearms - or even butter knives?

Seesh, you would think we could learn from history, a hundred million killed in the last century alone in places where government was allowed to supersede God given rights.

11 posted on 01/15/2011 12:57:19 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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"Seesh, you would think we could learn from history, a hundred million killed in the last century alone in places where government was allowed to supersede God given rights. "

Sheesh, you would think that we could educate people to think more than two-dimensionally.

Hey, but if you want to put firearms in the hands of people who hear voices, are "visited by aliens" or can't bring themselves to bathe or feed themselves, then enjoy defending that position.

Like the other guy, I suggest you look up the definition of "due process".

12 posted on 01/15/2011 1:06:44 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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So we, as a society, are responsible for the defense of this person? If he is banned from owning a firearm, then the society that does so is responsible for his safety.

If he can’t be trusted to own a firearm, who’s to say he won’t get one illegally or just use an axe?

And if he can’t be trusted, then why is he out of prison?


13 posted on 01/15/2011 1:30:05 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Tallguy
“I used to work in metal stamping. Forming a precision box from a piece of flat sheetmetal is not a trivial thing.”

It may not be trivial, but unless the magazine is very complex, it isn't all that difficult, either. I've never MADE a magazine, but I've repaired several that were damaged; dented, bent, etc. It isn't rocket science. One of them while on active duty, and after the repair it fired flawlessly in full-auto. (5.56mm, M-16 A1)

14 posted on 01/15/2011 1:31:11 PM PST by Old Student
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To: OldDeckHand
Hey, but if you want to put firearms in the hands of people who hear voices, are "visited by aliens" or can't bring themselves to bathe or feed themselves, then enjoy defending that position.

Price of freedom. Has worked for over 200 years.

History has shown doing it your way ends in less that 100 years, along with the lives of countless millions.

I'll go with the lessons of history rather than the musings of an old deck hand, who has the full support of the political left..

15 posted on 01/15/2011 2:49:41 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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'If he can’t be trusted to own a firearm, who’s to say he won’t get one illegally or just use an axe?"

Seriously. Where to begin?

Hell, using your (strained) logic, why don't we just issue automatic weapons to every con who walks out of the joint? And, since we can't prevent every rape, why do we bother outlawing that, or enforcing the law even if it is outlawed? And, I guess you have absolutely NO PROBLEM with convicted child molesters operating a home day care center, right? After all, they're endowed by their creator with the inalienable right to pursue happiness. If they like to get freaky by serving milk and cookies to 9-year old little boys, who are we to stop them (once they've completed their sentence, of course)?

We have employ the principle of due process in this country. That is to say, your civil rights cannot be constrained absent legal intervention - intervention where you also enjoy other civil rights including right to counsel, right to remain silent and right to a speedy trial.

So, to recap, you don't believe that convicted criminals should have any prohibitions on "rights" so long as they served there time, and I believe that position is absolutely ridiculous.

By the way, if the convict is worried about his "defense", perhaps he should think about that when he's sticking up the liquor store. Just saying.

16 posted on 01/15/2011 2:58:01 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Balding_Eagle
"I'll go with the lessons of history rather than the musings of an old deck hand, who has the full support of the political left.. "

Right, the "political left". Me, the NRA and the "political left".

You're so uniformed about this topic you don't even realize that it LEFTIST activist that have blocked an NRA supported measure to make it easier to keep weapons out of the hands of the insane.

Yep, you're a genius.

17 posted on 01/15/2011 3:09:03 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Tallguy
Quality magazines in all reality are not that easy to make.

Bingo. I caught that one, too. Even companies who do it for a living aren't all that good at it sometimes. I won't mention any names, but I've owned a few of them.

Although I do vaguely remember seeing some grainy footage of French resistance fighters making Sten magazines with a primitive press in a basement. Of course I can't say whether those mags worked or not.

18 posted on 01/15/2011 3:14:31 PM PST by Hardastarboard (Bringing children to America without immigration documents is child abuse. Let's end it.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Any type of gun control thinking has the support of the political left.

Not a good side to be aligned with.

Good day.


19 posted on 01/15/2011 3:25:32 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: OldDeckHand

I guess I didn’t realize what a gun-grabber Kathryn Jean Lopez is. So many of these so-called Republicans in politics and in the media are not Whole Constitutionalists and as such are not our friends.


20 posted on 01/15/2011 4:51:47 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (The future? Imagine Cass Sunstein's boot stamping on Lincoln's beard, forever.)
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