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Father closes his eyes as horrified court is shown video of his son accidentally shooting himself...
Daily Mail ^ | 10:26 AM on 7th January 2011 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 01/07/2011 3:08:22 AM PST by Mountain Bike Vomit Carnage

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To: riverrunner

Well pat yourself on the back for being so much smarter than the good doctor and the police chief!


21 posted on 01/07/2011 5:02:57 AM PST by databoss
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To: riverrunner

Dude - you think the same way these men did. Just letting your EIGHT year old HANDLE a loaded weapon is irresponsible IMO much less shoot one!


22 posted on 01/07/2011 5:14:51 AM PST by databoss
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To: databoss

Its not rocket science.

8 yr olds need supervision in a lot of areas. Firing an automatic weapon being one of those.


23 posted on 01/07/2011 5:15:33 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: databoss

“Just letting your EIGHT year old HANDLE a loaded weapon is irresponsible IMO much less shoot one!”

eh? depending on the weapon and level of supervision there is nothing wrong with an 8 yr old shooting a firearm.

In fact its very beneficial to the youngster.


24 posted on 01/07/2011 5:17:00 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: org.whodat
The father gave the gun to his son, the stupid father was a cop. He then filmed his son blowing his head off. The story of when it happened was posted here as well.

Dude, not even close. Re-read, understand, then post.
25 posted on 01/07/2011 7:19:06 AM PST by Peet (Leftists think personal liberty is so important it must be carefully rationed.)
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To: driftdiver

Local news ran a clip last night - up to but not including the moment the child shot himself.

There was a person (”instructor”?) standing beside the child at all times and during the course of the video — he cleared jams twice. Articles in the local newspaper (yeah, I know) describe the person as mid- or late-teens depending what source I read. They all or most agree that the “instructor” was NOT certified (whatever THAT means) but there was a larger person beside the 8-yo at all times “supervising” or “instructing”

Rumours and anti-gun agendas are so rampant it is damn-near impossible to sort facts from mis- dis-information. For example, my total lib-tard brother-in-law asserts that the father INSISTED/DEMANDED that the 8-yo be allowed to fire the Uzi against the wishes of the sponsors of the event. Problem is he didn’t know the former Pelham cop who provided the guns from the doctor father who brought his sons to the event; BIL just KNEW the cop was the father.

We have people like my BIL spreading “authoritative” information as well as illiterate reporters writing articles that mix up facts. No wonder we’re all confused.


26 posted on 01/07/2011 7:51:21 AM PST by Peet (Leftists think personal liberty is so important it must be carefully rationed.)
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To: Peet

They only way an 8yr should fire an UZI is with very limited ammunition and someone holding the gun with him.

Adults can have a difficult time controlling these firearms, let alone a small child.


27 posted on 01/07/2011 8:05:11 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: databoss

“Dude - you think the same way these men did. Just letting your EIGHT year old HANDLE a loaded weapon is irresponsible IMO much less shoot one!”

I can’t believe such an ignorant comment came from a freeper. I owned guns by the time I was eight. And shot plenty more than I owned, as was about this kids age when I fired my first auto. (Not an uzi however)

The key as always is teaching your children properly and watching out for them, so something tragic shuch as this does not happen.

Yes, this was rather irresponsible, as the kid obviously did not have the knowledge or skills to handle this weapon, and the kid is dead from his father’s lack of responsibility in insuring his son’s safety. But this court case is stupid, imo.


28 posted on 01/07/2011 10:33:20 AM PST by jkeith3213
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To: Peet
Here's some testimony from the teenager who was standing with the boy when the boy killed himself. Michael_Spano: Father of Christopher Bizilj wanted sons to shoot "full automatic":
Spano told the jury in Hampden Superior Court that Christopher's 11-year-old brother Colin had been firing a full-size Uzi. When that weapon malfunctioned, Spano presented the Bizilj's with a similar weapon -- the Micro Uzi. But, Spano testified, he warned the Bizilj party that the Micro Uzi "kicks hard and shoots fast."

Under cross-examination, defense attorney Rosemary Curran Scapicchio asked Spano if Dr. Bizilj approved of his sons' use of the Micro Uzi because "he wanted them to have the experience of a fully automatic firearm." Spano said Scapicchio's description was accurate.

Other reports indicate that the father signed a waiver that included the warning that risks included death.

This report from when the lawsuit was filed suggests the kid didn't shoot himself because the gun kicked, but rather that the kid accidentally pulled the trigger when trying to hold the gun after it slipped off his shoulder:

The details in the court documents show the gun apparently went off when the boy was attempting to keep it from falling after the stock of the weapon slipped down from his shoulder. His father, Dr. Charles D. Bizilj, who brought Christopher and his 11-year-old brother Colin, to the show, had been ordered to remain away from the firing line behind restraining ropes, according to the suit.
I don't know which is more accurate, that description of the suit, or what is being said here that the kickback made the gun spin around.

Whatever the case, a lot of more people could have died than just the 8-year-old; if the kid couldn't control the gun, he could have shot almost anybody at the fair.

29 posted on 01/07/2011 10:53:56 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT; driftdiver
Whatever the case, a lot of more people could have died than just the 8-year-old; if the kid couldn't control the gun, he could have shot almost anybody at the fair.

True that. I like driftdiver's approach; 8 years old is just too darned young to have the physical development needed for control. I was a farmboy at 8 years - in pretty good shape - and *I* wouldn't trust me with the full-auto at that age. No way; no how.

All that said, Thanks, Charles, for the links. My small-town paper doesn't have near the depth.


30 posted on 01/07/2011 11:43:42 AM PST by Peet (Leftists think personal liberty is so important it must be carefully rationed.)
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To: databoss
"Dude - you think the same way these men did. Just letting your EIGHT year old HANDLE a loaded weapon is irresponsible IMO much less shoot one!"

Shot my first handgun at age of five was hunting by myself by the time I was eight. I am a certified 4H NRA firearms instructor I have taught hundreds of kids how to shoot.

Letting kids handle and learn how to shoot firearms under proper instruction is one of the best things you can do for them.

Having kids learn the proper and safe way to handle guns make them a lot safer and responsible then not letting them learn how.

It is you that are irresponsible by not teaching them firearms safety. None of my students have ever shot anybody accidentally. The children that I hear shooting others are the ones who don't have any firearms training.

31 posted on 01/07/2011 1:59:57 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: riverrunner

“it is you that are irresponsible “
Wow! How do you make the leap from my saying that an eight year old is too young to handle loaded smg’s to my being an irresponsible gun owner or parent? You ASSumed...


32 posted on 01/08/2011 12:34:24 PM PST by databoss
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To: databoss
WOW how do you make the leap saying Iam Irresponsible.

Teaching children at a young age how to properly handle a firearm and to be safe with them is one of the most responsible things you can do.

If you have children in your home and haven't taught them some basic fire arm safety by the time they can walk and touch a gun. I would say that you are being irrespossible.

It starts out simple the younger they are, this is a gun look but don't tough unless I am there to help you. Moves up here this is how it works If you want to touch and handle them just ask I'll be glad to show you. Moving up to lets go out and shoot them just ask and I'll galdly take you shooting all the time talking about and training them in properly safety and handleing.

I have seen 5 year olds be told to go pick up a pistol grab it keep it pointed in a safe direction finger off the tigger and carry with no trouble.

IT IS ALL IN HOW YOU TRAIN THEM.

If you don't train them then it is in my opinon being irresponsible.

33 posted on 01/09/2011 5:31:32 AM PST by riverrunner
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