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‘Unexpected’ U.S. Home Price Decline Is A Serious Reason To Worry About Economy
The Market Oracle ^ | 12-30-2010 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 12/30/2010 6:01:46 PM PST by blam

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1 posted on 12/30/2010 6:01:54 PM PST by blam
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To: GlockThe Vote
Now Get Ready For A 90% Collapse In Canadian Real Estate
2 posted on 12/30/2010 6:04:45 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

guess i’ll have my house and property value re evaluated - pay less property tax


3 posted on 12/30/2010 6:10:36 PM PST by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: blam

That’s inconceivable!


4 posted on 12/30/2010 6:12:55 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: blam

Canadian real estate is overvalued, but this crazy lady says 90% declines...it is to laugh. She also slags the oil sands and is totally wrong. She is an envirowacko.


5 posted on 12/30/2010 6:19:06 PM PST by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: blam
Now Get Ready For A 90% Collapse In Canadian Real Estate

I'll take this place off of someones hands for $5,000 Canadian cash money, and I'll throw in a pack of smokes.


6 posted on 12/30/2010 6:19:40 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Jack Hydrazine
That’s inconceivable!

You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

7 posted on 12/30/2010 6:19:49 PM PST by Traveler59 (Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Traveler59
Especially before the bubble popped.


8 posted on 12/30/2010 6:23:12 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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9 posted on 12/30/2010 6:23:18 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: blam
"But, if home prices continue on this pace down, I think the economy has serious reasons to worry."

"Ya think, DiNozzo?"


10 posted on 12/30/2010 6:27:19 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: blam

The unexpected has become undeniably the expected exception!


11 posted on 12/30/2010 6:30:24 PM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: reefdiver
guess i’ll have my house and property value re evaluated - pay less property tax

Be careful what you ask for. I turned 65 in June of 2010, that means that in my county, my taxes were due to go down considerably, about 40% by my estimate.

I filed the proper statement and was told how much (in dollars) I would have to pay in 2011.

Within a month of that I received a notice from the county that my house had been reevaluated upwards - not by 40% but by about 25%. This isn't over by a long shot, I am of course appealing the reevaluation but the process itself can take a year or more.

Germane to my reply - I live in Illinois.

12 posted on 12/30/2010 6:35:40 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: blam
"desolate towns..."

There is only one 'desolate' town anywhere near the oilsands. Fort McMurray. One. And they have gone thru the boom and bust many many times. So the argument starts on a faulty premise.

13 posted on 12/30/2010 6:38:38 PM PST by deadrock (Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. Philo)
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To: blam

As I said back when housing starts were reported to be up that we were just seeing a shell game as already planned housing was transfered from business to business, or more normally, from builder to bank. The thought at the time was that the end was near but we’ve still yet to see any real crash in the commercial market.

And we’ve still not seen it. I know many businesses that are paying nothing in rent and not being evicted for fear that the paper on the loan will get called if occupancy drops to less than 50%.

More and more honest people are reevaluating their loan terms and are far more willing to consider gaming the system, or turning good loans for bad, knowing that the lender has little choice but try to restore loans.


14 posted on 12/30/2010 6:50:41 PM PST by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: blam
According to our survey, forecasters are expecting on average - these are professional forecasters - prices will be up 7% by 2014.

It's ridiculous to project the price of anything expressed in dollars when the dollar is being inflated. Project the price of houses in terms of ounces of gold and/or barrels of oil and then I'll pay attention.

Under inflation the only use for fiat money is the instantaneous buying and selling of real properlty. Money becomes simply a conduit rather than a store of value.

Here's a question for you ... if the dollar was losing its value rapidly and the peso was very stable in terms of its value, would you prefer to be paid in dollars or the equivalent value in pesos?

I predict in the future laws will be passed that require all transactions within the US to be in US dollars.

15 posted on 12/30/2010 7:08:10 PM PST by The Duke
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I wonder how much difference this will make if any?

GOP Shifts on Fannie, Freddie Overhaul (Republicans want bipartisan “compromise” with Obama, Dems)

Direct link http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052970204467204576048062199771064-lMyQjAxMTAwMDIwODEyNDgyWj.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2648799/posts

They are desperately trying to re-inflate the housing bubble to move those toxic loans off the banks books. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out because Whalen claims all those mortgage buy backs that BOA is being sued for could take down the bank.

Whalen: Foreclosure Peak Still Ahead for US

“We understand what the problem is for Bank of America. They are insolvent. They still have huge losses to take on their mortgage book, and balance sheet. They also have to deal with everyone wanting them to buy-back mortgages.”

“By this time next year the majority of home sales will be involuntary - more foreclosure sales than normal sales.”

“We haven’t seen the peak of foreclosures yet. That will come 12 months from now.”

“QE and QE2 are just hidden subsidies for the big banks.”

“Bank of America is in the worst shape of any U.S. bank.”

“Bank of America senior bondholders will have to take a hit, convert debt into equity.”

“There is no doubt they will have to be restructured.”

http://www.moneynews.com/Headline/christopher-Whalen-Foreclosure-Peak/2010/12/06/id/379123


16 posted on 12/30/2010 7:26:45 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: The Duke
"I predict in the future laws will be passed that require all transactions within the US to be in US dollars."

I'll quit transacting in public.

17 posted on 12/30/2010 7:32:25 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
"According to our survey, forecasters are expecting on average - these are professional forecasters - prices will be up 7% by 2014."

LOL! So many business, political and academic cheerleaders...

Dumb Cheerleaders trick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pno7TVVcZdM

I generally agree with Mac, the author, on the article above. He wrote a good rebuttal, but things may get far worse than that.


18 posted on 12/30/2010 7:43:19 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: reefdiver
guess i’ll have my house and property value re evaluated - pay less property tax

Ha ha. Dream on. Local taxing authorities are busy raising rates to compensate.

My BIL's house in Central Florida declined in value from about $280k to $180k, and shazam! his property tax bill is virtually unchanged.

Where I live in KY, the portion of my county property taxes for the library has seen the rate (millage rate) go up by 65% since 06.The value of my house hasn't changed in 3 years, but that portion of my taxes has nearly doubled.

Great thing for the local governments is that if our property values ever increase, they are going to get a huge windfall in revenue. And we are going to be raped without benefit of lubricant.

19 posted on 12/30/2010 7:53:23 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: blam

Unexpected by WHO? *I* expect everything to go in the crapper, sooner rather than later.


20 posted on 12/30/2010 8:15:00 PM PST by nina0113
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