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Documents Confirm China's Aircraft Carrier Plans
The Chosun Ilbo, South Korea ^ | Dec. 17, 2010

Posted on 12/18/2010 8:08:10 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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To: paladin1_dcs
This may be the first time that I’m aware of though that the Navy had more Carriers than it did Carrier Air Wings.

There is always one carrier going through major overhaul/refueling. That's a two year process that doesn't require an air wing.

As for the size, the old air wings had two fighter squadrons, two light attack squadrons of A-7s and a heavy attack squadron of A-6s. They now have 4 squadrons of F-18s so they can do more with fewer aircraft. Depending on the needs the carrier has 4 fighter squadrons instead of just 2. Or four attack squadrons instead of just 3.

21 posted on 12/18/2010 5:25:22 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: paladin1_dcs
Remember that it was all Bush's doing, and that he had major reductions to Reagan's military in hand before either Saddam showed his hand or the Soviet Union ceased to be a threat.

The Yacht Club Wing of the GOP have always been wooden-gun defense-haters. They scream and yell about anything that raises their taxes -- even a DoD big enough to keep them from being executed by Soviet or Chinese purge teams.

Here is their take on defense and social problems:

They're rich, they're out of the rain, and

THEY. JUST. DON'T. CARE.

Unless, of course, it's about access capitalism.

22 posted on 12/19/2010 2:35:40 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Non-Sequitur
They now have 4 squadrons of F-18s so they can do more with fewer aircraft.

No way does a Hornet lug as much ordnance as an A-6 used to. I'd tend to question that business about "more with less" -- more flexibility, maybe, but not more iron on the target. Plus, the A-3's went away, too.

23 posted on 12/19/2010 2:40:14 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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No way does a Hornet lug as much ordnance as an A-6 used to.

No, but the F-18 carries the precision guided munitions that have come along after the A-6. It can do more with one or two smart bombs than an A-6 could do with its entire bomb load. The key is not how much ordinance you can carry but how much can you get on target in a single strike. Plus it can operate as a fighter when necessary, which an A-6 or A-7 could not.

24 posted on 12/19/2010 4:22:30 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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I was aware of the overhaul periods, but I was always under the impression that the Air Wings had similar “down time” periods where they were in intensive training on land. I may have been wrong, but that was my understanding.

And when you said old air wing type, you weren’t kidding. The type I was familiar with had two squadrons of F-14s, two squadrons of F/A-18s and (I’m still fuzzy on this last one) one or two squadrons of A-6s. I think it was just one squadron of A-6s but I’m not sure.


25 posted on 12/19/2010 6:50:51 AM PST by paladin1_dcs
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I was aware of the overhaul periods, but I was always under the impression that the Air Wings had similar “down time” periods where they were in intensive training on land. I may have been wrong, but that was my understanding.

Training for a carrier air wing requires a carrier. Where else would you get the requisite traps and catapult takeoffs? The navy as never in my memory had a 1 for 1 carrier to air wing ratio.

And when you said old air wing type, you weren’t kidding. The type I was familiar with had two squadrons of F-14s, two squadrons of F/A-18s and (I’m still fuzzy on this last one) one or two squadrons of A-6s. I think it was just one squadron of A-6s but I’m not sure.

The standard pre-F18 airwing had two squadrons of F-14s, two squadrons of A-7s, and a squadron of A-6s. Each of those had, if memory serves, 12 aircraft but a couple of the A-6s were tanker versions. They also had a squadron of E-2s and a squadron of EA-6s, each with 4 aircraft. And then they had a squadron of S-3s and a squadron SH-3s, each with 8 aircraft. I may be off on the numbers for each squadron but it made for a pretty full deck. Today's carriers have one less strike squadron and they've lost the S-3s as well.

26 posted on 12/19/2010 6:58:52 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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Agreed that it takes a carrier to practice traps and launches, but wasn’t that what the Lexington (and wasn’t there another carrier assigned to take the Lexington’s place as a training carrier?) was for until recently? Everything else was done from shore, to the best of my knowledge. Granted, I never was more than a sideliner and never served, but it seems that there’s some seriously flawed logic in the way the Navy has been handled since Reagan left office.


27 posted on 12/19/2010 2:51:50 PM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: Non-Sequitur

Wait a second, I just caught that last part. The Navy did away with the S-3? WTH? When did this happen and what’s pulling ASW duty now?


28 posted on 12/19/2010 2:53:11 PM PST by paladin1_dcs
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Wait a second, I just caught that last part. The Navy did away with the S-3? WTH? When did this happen and what’s pulling ASW duty now?

About the same time as the F-14s and each carrier has a couple of SH-6 helicopters.

29 posted on 12/19/2010 3:35:48 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: paladin1_dcs
Agreed that it takes a carrier to practice traps and launches, but wasn’t that what the Lexington (and wasn’t there another carrier assigned to take the Lexington’s place as a training carrier?) was for until recently?

Those were used for training brand new pilots, not maintaining existing ones. Now I believe they send a fleet carrier off of Florida every so often and carrier qual them that way.

It makes zero sense to let a combat air wing rot on shore for two years while their carrier is in Newport News. One air wing for each operational carrier. Anything else is a waste of men and material.

30 posted on 12/19/2010 3:41:06 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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