Secession ball stirs controversy

The SunNews.com ^ | 12-3-2010 | Robert Behre Charleston Post

[mstar]

Those same secessionists who attempted to rip our nation apart wouldn’t object to the likes of pokie, cva, or idabooby cleaning their spittoons, but otherwise wouldn’t be seen in public with them.

Please do not presume to speak for my family. . . go tend to your own house and your dirty eye.

As a direct descendant of secessionists, revolutionary war patriots, the mother and successful caregiver of Benjamin Franklin's great granddaughters, I believe I can speak for them concerning being seen in public with my dear friends cowboyway, southern sunshine, Idabilly, CVA.

Not only would I consider it an honor to be seen anywhere or anyplace with them, if they would to grace my home or place of business it would be a privilege to serve them.

You see humility and considering the needs of others is the true spirit of hospitality. My southern mama taught that to me, her southern plantation born mama taught her. . . . family traditions passed down for generations.

but as cowboyway pointed out, these are foreign concepts and I am just wasting my time and energy with you.

[mojitojoe]

You are the so boring. Nerd alert.

[mstar]

“Kind of funny how people who play the populist card with such ferocity love to dress up and cavort like the ruling elites of a slaveowning society.” (x)

"LIKE ??"

gads these people really have a problem if that is all they see.

So let's make the next Confederate Ball if they will have us . . . with period dress . . .should be just good fun. I like to have fun don't you.

Just now home from the shop and worn out. Hope everyone is Ok.

[Stonewall Jackson]

To His Excellency President Lincoln:
I beg to present you as a Christmas gift the city of Savannah, with one hundred and fifty heavy guns and plenty of ammunition, also about twenty-five thousand bales of cotton.
W.T. Sherman
Major-General

I might not like the guy too much, but even I have to admit that he has a perverse sense of humor.

[campaignPete R-CT]

“I confess, without shame, I am sick and tired of fighting — its glory is all moonshine; even success the most brilliant is over dead and mangled bodies, with the anguish and lamentations of distant families, appealing to me for sons, husbands and fathers ... tis only those who have never heard a shot, never heard the shriek and groans of the wounded and lacerated ... that cry aloud for more blood, more vengeance, more desolation.”
-Sherman, May 1865

[rustbucket]

You and yours want to claim that the Constitution and the Founders agreed with your right to secession ...

Better study up on the Founders. From the Ratification of the Constitution by the State of New York; July 26, 1788 [my bold below]:

WE the Delegates of the People of the State of New York, duly elected and Met in Convention, having maturely considered the Constitution for the United States of America, agreed to on the seventeenth day of September, in the year One thousand Seven hundred and Eighty seven, by the Convention then assembled at Philadelphia in the Common-wealth of Pennsylvania (a Copy whereof precedes these presents) and having also seriously and deliberately considered the present situation of the United States, Do declare and make known. ...

That the Powers of Government may be reassumed by the People, whensoever it shall become necessary to their Happiness; ...

... Under these impressions and declaring that the rights aforesaid cannot be abridged or violated, and that the Explanations aforesaid are consistent with the said Constitution ... We the said Delegates, in the Name and in the behalf of the People of the State of New York Do by these presents Assent to and Ratify the said Constitution.

Hamilton and future Chief Justice John Jay voted for the ratification document that contained those statements above.

The legality of unilateral secession is clear – the Constitution does not allow it.

Please show me where secession is outlawed in the Constitution.

Madison said the following on July 24, 1788 to the Virginia ratification convention [my bold and underline below]. Madison and future Chief Justice John Marshall [along with three other Federalists] wrote something similar into the Virginia ratification document and then voted along with a majority of the Virginia convention to pass that ratification document.

That resolution declares that the powers granted by the proposed Constitution are the gift of the people, and may be resumed by them when perverted to their oppression, and every power not granted thereby remains with the people, and at their will. It adds, likewise, that no right, of any denomination, can be cancelled, abridged, restrained, or modified, by the general government, or any of its officers, except in those instances in which power is given by the Constitution for these purposes. There cannot be a more positive and unequivocal declaration of the principle of the adoption — that every thing not granted is reserved. This is obviously and self-evidently the case, without the declaration.

Secession was not prohibited in the Constitution. The power to prohibit secession was not delegated to the federal government or to other states that might oppose the secession of a given state. Secession remained in the powers reserved to the states or the people.

[rockrr]

No one was speaking to or of you. Sit down and be quiet.

[rockrr]

You know as well as I do that statements such as you bolded are nice sentimentality but hold absolutely no force of law.

[mstar]

rockrr; "No one was speaking to or of you. Sit down and be quiet."

"Those same secessionists who attempted to rip our nation apart wouldn’t object to the likes of pokie, cva, or idabooby cleaning their spittoons, but otherwise wouldn’t be seen in public with them."

mstar; "As a direct descendant of secessionists, revolutionary war patriots, the mother and successful caregiver of Benjamin Franklin's great granddaughters, I believe I can speak for them "

you speak of my family you speak of me

[dcwusmc]

Your lineage is MOST impressive, and makes your credentials most impeccable. It’s an honor to make your cyber-acquaintance!

My ancestors (on my mother’s side) were on the Mayflower. Many others came from Ireland and Scotland (going back to Bobby Bruce on the one hand and the 700 kings of Ireland on the other) so I come by my antipathy to oppressors and their lickspittles quite honestly as well! There seems to be any number of the latter on this thread!

[Stonewall Jackson]

If I had my choice I would kill every reporter in the world, but I am sure we would be getting reports from Hell before breakfast.
-W.T. Sherman

[bobjam]

My ancestors in Bourbon County fought in the Confederate Army. Seccession was defeated in the legislatures of Missouri, Kentucky and Maryland. Those parts of Kentucky and Missouri that were sympathetic to and controlled by the Confederacy and were organized as states and admitted to the CSA. The the same thing happened with West Virginia, excpet with the Union.

The concept of “Border States” was created by revisionist historians. These are the ones who claim the war was about slavery. They needed to explain away one major problem with their revision: if it was about slavery, then why was slavery legal in four Union states? Why did the Union admit West Virginia as a slave state in 1863? Why didn’t the Emancipation Proclamatin free the slaves in Union states?

[Non-Sequitur]

You are the so boring. Nerd alert.

Another patented Mo-joe pot-meet-kettle moment.

[Non-Sequitur]

You have no claim on Missouri.. cityfied Chicago boy.

And you do?

[mstar]

Thank you, the honor belongs to them. I have done nothing in comparison, but will speak up for them with great humility and consider it a privilege to do so.

My ancestors (on my mother’s side) were on the Mayflower.

Wow your roots are deep.

My Jackson side came over a bit later with Gov. Winthrop

I come by my antipathy to oppressors and their lickspittles quite honestly as well

Absolutely it's in your blood.

My family came out of the Meckleburg, N.C. "hornets nest", the first part of the Thirteen Colonies to declare independence from Great Britain, and "First in Secession" Chesterfield County, S.C.

and obviously did not "cotton" to cheap tryrants.

[cowboyway]

another veiled threat

Threat? What threat, punk?

Now sit like a good doggie.

What is it about you angry libtards always wanting to boss people around?

BTW, my spittoon needs a good cleaning. How bout you get cracking at that, boy.

[mstar]

What is it about you angry libtards always wanting to boss people around? BTW, my spittoon needs a good cleaning. How bout you get cracking at that, boy.

this along with your previous post is just too rich with great imagery :)

[cowboyway]

These are the ones who claim the war was about slavery.

Why the war was not about slavery

[cowboyway]

The rest of the post....LMAO from the time I started reading!

These clowns constantly set themselves up for ridicule. It's so easy that I sometimes feel embarrassment and pity for them.

But if it makes you laugh then I'll ignore any compassion that I may have for the coven and continue to ridicule them. :~)

[cowboyway]

this along with your previous post is just too rich with great imagery :)

Why, thank you, mam!