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And Now: Grid Anxiety
thetruthaboutcars ^ | November 28, 2010 | By Bertel Schmitt

Posted on 11/28/2010 5:55:32 PM PST by Jet Jaguar

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1 posted on 11/28/2010 5:55:35 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

I don’t expect a large demand for EV’s until battery technology and life have a quantum leap over what’s available today and until pricing is competitive with GPVs.


2 posted on 11/28/2010 5:58:13 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jet Jaguar

We have all charged the batteries on our vehicles at one time or another and some of us have a golf cart we charge, We plug them in and hey don’t create a large draw on the grid. In fact not much more than a light bulb, because they charge slowly.

Will these electric vehicles create a tremendous draw??
If they do then they are going to be really expensive to operate and gasoline will probably be cheaper than the electric bill.


3 posted on 11/28/2010 5:59:44 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Jet Jaguar

Unintended consequences, or the reason enviroweenies shouldn’t make policy.


4 posted on 11/28/2010 6:03:41 PM PST by FourPeas (From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. Ja 3:10)
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To: Venturer

Yes, more draw than just charging your 12v battery in your car.

Click keyword EFV, or recharging, for more info.


5 posted on 11/28/2010 6:04:19 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: Venturer

As long as gasoline remains under $3.00 a gallon, people won’t switch. But at that price point, an EV becomes financially viable.


6 posted on 11/28/2010 6:04:24 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Gosh, what a shame the predictions of the years of my youth were prevented from becoming reality by the anti-nuclear boobs around the world! That's one of the problems with eco-nutjobs, they latch on to a single idea or cause and pay no attention to what will happen if they get their way. Well, the no-nuclear power plants got their way, the electric car crowd is about to get their way, the no-drill wackos have pretty much gotten their way, and look where we are today.

To a liberal all the world is static. Nothing is connected to anything else.

I didn't realize those electric cars were going to be such a drain on the power grids. Wow, sure looks like we have another ethanol on our hands.

7 posted on 11/28/2010 6:04:40 PM PST by jwparkerjr (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I grew up with 25 cycle electricity, crank (Magnito) phones, no TV, no AC, and sleeping porches. We technology collapses, I won’t like it but will be physiologically better equipped to handle it - at least better than my techno dependent daughter and her family. My wife, who grew up without home electricity, will do better than I.


8 posted on 11/28/2010 6:06:39 PM PST by JimSEA
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"I didn't realize those electric cars were going to be such a drain on the power grids."

We all should start in with a "Build Nuke Power Plants NOW campaign" And we can use the "Its for all the electric Cars that America will be driving..." Argument!

9 posted on 11/28/2010 6:08:35 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Venturer

Oh really. I suggest you take a look at your electric meter’s spinning disk when you turn on your golf cart’s charger. I have, and my meter spins at least three times as fast. It looks only a bit slower than when my two 4 ton AC units kick in during the summer. There are 6 eight volt batteries in that golf cart, all being charged at the same time.


10 posted on 11/28/2010 6:14:33 PM PST by CdMGuy
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To: Venturer
"Will these electric vehicles create a tremendous draw??"

The energy equivalent to all the gas not burned in the EV's will have to come off the grid. One or two cars on a block, probably OK. If every house has 2 cars, that is a whole lot of energy.

At least the extra load would be largely at night, not during peak hours. But expect your power bill to increase to pay for the new power plants/lines to handle the load.

11 posted on 11/28/2010 6:16:08 PM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
People who own electric vehicles should be charged a huge premium on their electric bills to not only cover the road tax they are not paying but to also pay for the upgrades to the grid needed to charge these glorified Power Wheels.

It is not right that those of us who are already subsidizing the purchases of these things are also being forced to pay more for electricity to help charge them as well.

12 posted on 11/28/2010 6:17:32 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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Get ready for cities to offer free electric to get people into these POS. Guess who will pay for that?


13 posted on 11/28/2010 6:20:43 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
We all should start in with a "Build Nuke Power Plants NOW campaign" And we can use the "Its for all the electric Cars that America will be driving..." Argument!

I disagree.

Instead, let all the neighborhoods go dark where these rubes own these gadgets.

Something else that few people have thought about is recycling 600 pound batteries made from toxic metals. If people are concerned about breaking a 10 watt CFC light bulb, wait until a 600 pound battery is scattered all over the pavement in an automobile accident.

14 posted on 11/28/2010 6:28:19 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Jet Jaguar

When power grids start blowing all over the place due to EV’s look for the general populace to turn hostile and make the owner’s lives hell.


15 posted on 11/28/2010 6:32:04 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Venturer
Multiply that by a million or so cars at night when the grid currently rests resets itself. What happens during high peak times of the year like the summer, in the South where ambient temperature is high and everyone has an airconditioner.

Also, a car is a pretty large, massive object, requiring a lot more power than a cell phone. How many kWatts does a car require to travel 60 miles.

16 posted on 11/28/2010 6:32:23 PM PST by dhs12345
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That will happen. The power companies and the local governments are looking for excuses to jack up the rates.


17 posted on 11/28/2010 6:34:00 PM PST by dhs12345
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Will these electric vehicles create a tremendous draw??

Earlier threads today will provide you an answer to your question -- and yes, one vehicle alone can more than double your instantaneous draw for an extended period of time. Depending on the car and charger (and other factors) it seems only 2 cars could blow out your pole transformer leaving you powerless until your utility gets a new higher-capacity transformer shipped out and installed.

Look on the bright side. Your utility bill will go down.

18 posted on 11/28/2010 6:38:11 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: Jet Jaguar

The only problem is that nobody is going to buy them now that the cat is out of the bag that they really don’t run on “free” electricity. The outrageous pricetags are another matter entirely.

I’m also curious to see some serious crash testing results. Exactly how durable is that battery when you T-bone it with an F-150 doing 60?? What happens when you run it head-on into a bridge abutment at the same speed??


19 posted on 11/28/2010 6:38:47 PM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!!)
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Anyone want to invest in my natural gas powered generator home charging station business?

Greener than gasoline, cheaper than the grid, no taxes ... yet. 8~)

I’m ahead of T-Bone one this one.


20 posted on 11/28/2010 6:38:55 PM PST by DonnerT (Those in power no longer fear the caliber of the ballot.)
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