Posted on 11/25/2010 9:10:56 AM PST by roses of sharon
I’ll be voting for the person I prefer from now on, thank you, and if the GOP doesn’t nominate that person, they won’t have my vote.
Hear ya.
Be encouraged that this is the first time in history a populist grass-roots conservative movement has muscled in on the Elitist GOP's turf. They don't like it, but we have spoken in 2010. LOUDLY.
2012: "Ich bin ein Tea Party-er!"
This article ought to appear in the dictionary next to the phrase “damning with faint praise”.
If the election is truly about Obama, then my position is that the only candidate who cannot beat him in a two-way race is Romney. And that's primarily because Romney gives the voters no incentive to choose him over Obama on the two most prominent issues likely to arise in 2012 -- government-controlled health insurance and corporate bailouts. Their positions may not be identical on those subjects, but they are close enough that it diffuses the greatest argument against Obama.
Exactly!
The other way of looking at it is that any GOP candidate, after winning the primaries, will be subject to the same treatment. Palin's already been "vetted", and the media have pretty much shot all of their ammo -- when campaigning begins and the public sees that's she's not the caricature they've been told she is, what then?
saw that Fat Boy, Karl “The Buffet” Rove this morning.
They set the segment up as Sarah and Karl having sharp barbs for each other.
That pudgy bastuhd defended himself saying he was a “Commentator”.
Blam! I changed the channel. FUKR
there’s no daylights difference between Mutt and Mutt.
That’s Mutt’s problemo.
FUMR
“And she does have advisers and she does have staff, and part of her “mystique” has been to hide them well. Indeed, every single time there is a gaffe, or a booking to which she doesn’t appear, it’s ALWAYS blamed on the staff.”
In this pre-anouncement stage, the fact that Gov. Palin is presenting the illusion that she doesn’t have a staff, speaks to her being a little bit smarter than the political elites want to give her credit for.
She has positioned hersself to be one of the co front runners for the nomination after getting savaged by the liberal media and the Establishment GOP, including a big hit by Rove.
Seriously LS, what you are saying about Palin not being criticized on FR is just factually incorrect. I used to post on a big variety of issues on FR. Now, I have little time to do that because I am constantly refuting allegations leveled at Gov Palin by Freepers.
The attacks have been constant, intense and redundant for 2 years now.
The latest Quinnepac poll (have to find your own link I’m getting ready to watch the WVU-Pit Backyard Brawl)...showed some movement for Palin and had her above Romney and Huckabee...very close.
But movement in the right direction for Palin.
Interesting theory! Not sure I can agree just yet. It's too far in advance of 2012. But time will tell.
In any case, even if the MSM do try to bash other candidates with the same intensity, I simply can't believe the "treatment" will work so well against an exceptionally smooth and personable rhetorician like that snake, Gov. Huckabee, or against a very successful and likeable two-term governor like Gov. Daniels or Gov. Barbour.
Palin's already been "vetted", and the media have pretty much shot all of their ammo
Your statement would have carried a lot more weight a week ago, before Sarah's "North Korea" slip of the tongue. I might even have been persuaded by you back them. But if Gov. Palin keeps giving the MSM this sort of "ammo," then I don't see how she could ever recover.
when campaigning begins and the public sees that's she's not the caricature they've been told she is, what then?
If she hires a voice coach and learns to soften her screeching oral delivery, and if she seriously bones up on the great world issues of our time -- the way Reagan did for years when writing his hundreds of commentaries -- then she probably will have a chance.
Otherwise, I find it strains credibility to imagine she can break the template already set in stone by the MSM, specifically the media's "narrative" of a petulant two-year governor who left the field of battle, thereafter earning millions as an author and TV celebrity.
>> to always put every discussion into the evil-non-evil category is just ridiculous <<
Is it just my imagination? Or am I really seeing more and more of this ridiculous kind of discussion here on FR?
I think it’s getting out of hand, like in the illegal immigration debate when people here were calling Jon Kyl a “traitor.” Just utter crap.
I guess I'm speaking more to the overall "Palin has a brilliant strategy" argument. It in fact was a strat adopted by Obama, who had no record and ran on being a celebrity. We'll see if that works twice. But the fact that someone has to administer a MASSIVE federal government with so little experience (again, see Obama) and so few connections with people who DO have experience (again, see Obama) is troubling. It can be overcome, but it first needs to be acknowledged as a serious weakness, and I don't see anyone here doing that. Criticism of her McCain endorsement? Yes. But of her other experience and judgment, no.
If, on the other hand, it is about terrorism, "that vision thing," or illegal immigration, then Romney is extremely weak---but Palin also appears a little weak on immigration, having supported Amnesty Juan. She would win clearly if the debate is framed about "morning in America," that "vision thing," or kind of "home town values."
I don't think she will do well at all if it's about Fed policy and/or debt swaps.
The sissified MSM water-boys on FR, and in the GOP...insist that her voice is now a “problem”.
So let’s look to Romney, Tim, Huck, etc......because anyone who hasn’t actually used their voice (to battle the left) to any extent, in the last two years, certainly will not need a voice coach.
Trashing a good conservative woman’s accent and colloquialisms. Sounds like the bigoted liberals I have heard calling her a snowbilly.
And strange how none of these “problems” arose BEFORE she was chosen in 08. The AK media, AK Dems, oil companies, never complained that she could not be serious and sober.
As a matter of fact, when she was picked there were articles from her local media stating they were surprised because she was the first Gov to sit for editorial board meetings without her aids and lawyers with her.
I don’t recall Charlie Rose complaining about her voice or answers when being interviewed numerous times before 08. Or any Oil companies or other State Gov running out of a meeting with their hair on fire saying she was an incompetent or complaining to the press about her voice. Does anyone think McCain would have picked her (after his staff vetted her for months) if these “problems” were out there in her State in her poll numbers in her local press??
None of these things were a problem before the national MSM/DNC/Hollywood/Academia smear machine got a hold of her.
Propaganda is a powerful thing, and some are more susceptible than others.
And FR is no exception.
” including former President George W. Bush, 2008 Republican presidential candidate Senator John McCain, late former Governor Ann Richards, Congressman Charlie Wilson, Lance Armstrong and Bono.”
With that backround he should shut up!!
It becomes MUCH easier when you put in a specific name. Once the Dems have a target to demonize (O’Donnell, Angle) then they can play up negatives. I agree now he would lose OH instantly, and probably NC and VA and IN. But now isn’t the election, and ANY Republican you put in the campaign is going to be disliked by some on our side. So the trick is to minimize them and maximize the Dem/Indie defectors. I think it can be done, but I’d caution against overconfidence. We don’t want Hoover to turn out to be Harry Truman.
You really are a Romney troll. Palin is more experienced than your man Mitt Romney, his sole governmental experience is a single term as Governor where he proved to be a disaster, and left with 34% approval, and the Democrats have held the office ever since.
You've got to be kidding me. Anyone who speaks in public for more than a few minutes is going to tip over their words, or misspeak once in a while. It's clear she meant South Korea, from context, and taking a verbal gaffe out of context isn't "ammo", it's deliberate deception, and again, something that would be used against anyone running against "The One".
Now, had the context around the slip not been clear, you may have had a point.
"The economy" is too broad. It will come down to things more specific that that.
- ObamaCare: Romney offers no alternative to Obama, being saddled with his past and continuing support for pretty much the exact same thing in Massachusetts. The "what's good for Massachusetts might not be for the rest of the country" dodge he tries to use will get him nowhere.
- Corporate Bailouts: Again, Romney's backing of bailouts, even if not identically to Obama, is close enough to offer voters little reason to switch to Romney of they're upset about bailouts.
-Taxes: Here, Romney has an advantage, but then, so does any Republican, if taxes are an issue.
-Employment: If employment is the biggest issue, that may help Romney if he is perceived as an economic mastermind.
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