Posted on 11/20/2010 11:34:24 PM PST by JohnKinAK
Really? Please explain how.
"But even us lay people have enough info at hand to figure it out. Go out and study the lighting on the clouds and contrails at sunset yourself. YOURSELF. Then watch the video. You'll get that it shows a plume heading north-west against a setting sun. You have, in your own noggin, all the "expertise" you need."
Oh yeah. It's always a good idea to ignore all other facts and concentrate only on what your eyes are telling your noggin. That will never fail you...
Let’s say just for chuckles that we have no idea which direction the Cargolaw webcam was pointing. We do, but let’s pretend.
We can see the same two clouds on the Sky2 footage and the Cargolaw pic. That means we are looking at the same contrail and that both pics include the same section of sky. There is simply no way that an object heading west or northwest from the Sky2 helo would appear to be headed east or southeast from Cargolaw. And if they’re not photographing the same object at roughly the same time, that sure is a boatload of coincidences, ain’t it?
As for time...the stamp is right on the photo. Looks like they forgot to move the clock back an hour at the end of DST, but it’s right there.
Yardstick, if you haven’t seen it already, note that Contrail Science used the Cargolaw photo to once again show that the head of the “missile” trail” just happens to match where UPS 902 was at the time the photo was taken.
So, we can accept it’s UPS 902, or we can buy into the government photoshop cabal theory.
(As I said earlier, my #21 & # 34 on my "RAW VIDEO" thread show how I use that "forked" cloud as a temporal benchmark.)
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1) The contrail has extended well beyond my "forked index cloud", which is now right on the (shadow) horizon.
2) Even though the copter is well south of Warren's apartment, the contrail has drifted far enough south that it has the "leftward lean" typical of views of it from the north. (Clear indication that it is headed East, of course.)
3) The A/C has long since stopped producing persistent contrail; it should be in the vicinity of Catalina -- or, even, approaching "feet dry"...
I think we will have better luck with other means of triangulation.
Wonder if any of the folks in the "genius squad" in the "missile camp" can explain that one away..
No, it's flying eastward. It's just that you don't understand how foreshortening works. You don't have the spatial reasoning to translate 2D images into 3D reality. You are easily fooled.
When you see a contrail pointing to the left you simplistically interpret it as traveling south. When you see a contrail pointing upward you simplistically interpret it has traveling vertically. You totally fail to account for the component of the velocity that's directed towards the viewer but which because of the flattening effect of 2D images isn't obvious.
That effect is called foreshortening. If you don't take it into account you wind up arriving at silly conclusions that require conspiracy theories to prop them up. It's an easy mistake to make, and you are making it.
I plotted the Lat/Long of UPS902 at 5:16 and drew a line from that position to the Cargo Law LAX camera. It lines up perfectly with the view from the Cargo Law photos. Now if I could just figure out how to post a Google image on FR I could share it.
Another day, and still zero evidence from the missile crowd.
Planning on sharing any data?
The conspiracy theorist crowd, same old thing. They make a claim, and ask other s to disprove it, rather than prove their nonsense.
Where is your proof?
Got data?
Been nearly a month, and zero data or proof from the missile crowd.
Typical
If you can save the image to your computer, then you can upload it to tinypic.com. Tinypic will host the image and generate code so you can post it on FR.
What arch? I never said anything about any arch, little man.
What arch indeed, I never said anything about any arch.
And the little man jibe? Grow up.
BTW, do you guys have a single ounce of data yet?
It appears from your posting record that that is the only thing you ever say and check in to FR every couple of days to say it. You contribute nothing to this thread or this forum. You’re a pathetic little weasel who can’t think for himself and rides on the backs of others entirely. You’re nothing but a Zer0 of a man with no manhood, no self respect and no intelligence. A nothing a nobody and a waste of pixels on the monitor of life. If you stood up you would still be half as tall as whale crap. If you had a brain you would trade it for bubble gum. With no baseball card. You would get the better end of the deal. There is only one way to measure your insignificance but it requires an instrument made of anti-matter a latex glove and a blind gorilla tricked into taking the measurement. Nothing good has ever come from your existence except to make the rest of existence feel better about its own shortcomings. When the universe finally reaches its cosmic end you will be left behind because frankly non-existence would just suck too much if you were a non-part of it.
That was the context of the post I made that you replied to. Was your post not supposed to make any sense at all? Mission accomplished, dork.
How sad for you. You have yet to put up any actual data to support your claim. You make an outrageous claim and expect everyone to disprove it, rather than take the time to prove your point.
This joke is nearly a month old, and you and your dwindling list of kooks passed the pathetic stage a long time ago.
Again and again, I ask you to explain....
Got data? It would be something that you should have by now.
But, you don’t. As usual.
You’re quite a broken record. I stopped initiating posts on this about a week ago but every day some obsessive compulsive moron like you pings me back to it. Is this the only thing you have going in your life?
Gee, so nice of you to cut and paste lame insults.
Is this what your argument has been reduced too?
Seriously pathetic.
Got any data to prove the missile yet?
I didn’t cut and paste anything. I wrote that just a few minutes ago. Figures a parrot like you would think so though. LOL
The picture below is the same view as the one above, but obviously brighter. Note the palm trees and powerline poles on the horizon and how they line up with the photo above. Also note the destinctive domed roof features on the LAX terminal buildings. Comparing the two photos, the contrail ends just above the powerline pole at the left side of the photo. 
This is my first Google image and just shows the red line connecting the coordinates of UPS902 at 17:16 and the location of the LAX camera on the building housing the law firm of Countryman and McDaniel.
The Google image below shows the line connecting the camera and UPS902 and how it tracks across LAX.
This is a closer view of the red azimuth line and how it tracks by the domed roof features of the LAX terminal buildings. It tracks to the left (south) of the first dome.
Below is the key Google image. The powerline poles are difficult to see, but they are the grey structures in the green space between the housing development and the chemical plant. The red azimuth line tracks between the two powerline poles visible in the second photo, and just to the right of the powerline pole to the left side of that photo. Not directly over it, but within a few feet. Comparing all the photos and the azimuth line, it is apparent that everything lines up pretty well based on the time of the photo, the lat/long of the FlightAware track of UPS902, and an azimuth line connecting the two.
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