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An Opening Volley against the Deficit (The Commission's recommendation starts reasonably)
National Review ^ | 11/11/2010 | The Editors

Posted on 11/11/2010 5:44:36 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 11/11/2010 5:44:38 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Here’s Larry Kudlow’s take ....

http://www.nationalreview.com/kudlows-money-politics/253035/deficit-commission-right-track


My first cut at the Bowles-Simpson deficit-commission recommendation is that it basically moves the ball in the right direction. It goes after entitlements, domestic and defense discretionary. It puts some kind of freeze on federal hiring and salaries. It lowers the corporate tax, flattens the personal tax, and gets rid of a bunch of tax-expenditure loopholes.

However, it should be much, much tougher on spending. By 2015 the baseline should be lowered by at least $500 billion, if not more — not just $200 billion.

And there should be a much more aggressive, true, flat-tax reform, with no more than two brackets of 15 and 28 percent, and preferably one bracket somewhere south of 20 percent. Plus, capital gains and dividends, which would go up under the commission, should be abolished altogether, along with the estate tax. And corporate tax reform should have a lower top rate and should include full cash expensing for new investment in plants and equipment.

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2 posted on 11/11/2010 5:48:42 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

There should be a minimum income tax that everyone has to pay. When one removes 50% of the populace from the rolls this is what happens. More and more I am leaning to abolishing the income tax and go to a national sales tax.


3 posted on 11/11/2010 5:52:09 AM PST by ontap
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To: SeekAndFind
The new House majority should grab this proposal with both hands and take ownership of it. It has a bipartisan sheen and it seems like a very sound place to start on the road to fiscal sanity. If Boehner & Co. keep their distance in the name of political expediency any credibility they have with the T.P. and independent voters will be stillborn.

Carpe diem presumptive Speaker of the House.

4 posted on 11/11/2010 6:03:13 AM PST by irish_links (: ... but only say the word and I shall be healed.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Almost none of these proposals will ever go into effect, especially after the GOP has taken control of the House. This is merely a BS plan put into the wind by the Dems so they can try to hang blame on the GOP when very little of this sees the light of day. The Dems anticipated getting an ass-kicking a long time ago and started this commission BS as a long-term strategy to critize the GOP in 2012.


5 posted on 11/11/2010 6:04:44 AM PST by GoldenPup
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To: SeekAndFind

It appears to be an half-step in the right direction, but it contains too many tax increases and too few spending cuts.


6 posted on 11/11/2010 6:08:35 AM PST by jda
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To: ontap

“There should be a minimum income tax that everyone has to pay.”

You got that exactly right. Still, I think eliminating most (or all??) deductions will go a long way toward that. I hope the deduction for charitable contributions goes.(Yes I tithe, and will continue to do so) Then perhaps our ministers will stop being tongue tied on the issues of the day for fear of offending the gvmt and losing their tax free status.

I do think these proposals go a long way toward addressing our problems and are MUCH better than what I expected from this commission. Ireally thought this was a cover for Obama and the left to impose a VAT on us.


7 posted on 11/11/2010 6:17:46 AM PST by slorunner
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“...many tax increases (?) ....

I'm not certain how you interpret a top tax bracket of 23% as a tax increase. Perhaps it is because it eliminates a number of common deductions, presumably for mortgage interest, state and local taxes and maybe dependent children. Like it or not we need to end these economic distortions, they simply lead to too much mortgage debt, too much state and public skrewl spending, especially in fiscal basket cases like CA, NY, NJ and IL, and tax burden shifting. I say bring on the “tax increase.”

8 posted on 11/11/2010 6:21:54 AM PST by irish_links (: ... but only say the word and I shall be healed.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I am fairly pleased with the conceptual framework. I would get crushed by the elimination of the mortgage deduction, but a corresponding income tax rate reduction could mitigate that. Raising the SS age is a no-brainer, even though once again I take a hit. Gas taxes are folly, and I'm sure their figures regarding their revenues are based on a static analysis completely decoupled from reality.

What I want someone, anyone, to say is something on the order of: "If we are to have an income tax, then everyone shall pay a tax on their income". How about some sort of basement level tax? And eliminate the practice of paying people through the EIC. What the hell is that all about? I have first hand knowledge of tip-dependent labor earning in excess of $60k/year paying zero in income tax and receiving a check from the government. That is f'n insane.

9 posted on 11/11/2010 6:25:20 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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RE: This is merely a BS plan put into the wind by the Dems so they can try to hang blame on the GOP when very little of this sees the light of day.


FYI, Paul Ryan, one of the Republican Young Guns who created the widely praised FISCAL ROADMAP was part of this task force.


10 posted on 11/11/2010 6:25:59 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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ping


11 posted on 11/11/2010 6:38:19 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: ontap

To be honest - I dont agree with the gasoline tax, but many of these proposals are very good and need to be done.

I applaud this commission by and large.

As far as the mortgage thing - that can be tweeked but they are proposing lower overall rate in return which is a good thing.


12 posted on 11/11/2010 6:43:55 AM PST by GlockThe Vote
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To: SeekAndFind

I noticed the AMT got the ax, certainly a gesture towards the coastal living left and their inflated salaries.


13 posted on 11/11/2010 6:47:28 AM PST by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: SeekAndFind

What was discouraging was seeing all the congress-critters on the news start to pick it apart. The Republicans should man up and insist on holding to this proposal.


14 posted on 11/11/2010 6:51:48 AM PST by bkepley
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To: irish_links
"The new House majority should grab this proposal with both hands and take ownership of it. It has a bipartisan sheen and it seems like a very sound place to start on the road to fiscal sanity.

Spot on, Irish. Any plan having support and/or encouragement from Larry Kidlow and Paul Ryan, and opposition from Jan Schakowsky must be a pretty darn starting point.

15 posted on 11/11/2010 6:56:18 AM PST by Reo
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I would get crushed by the elimination of the mortgage deduction, but a corresponding income tax rate reduction could mitigate that.

They couldn't call it "deficit reduction" if there's a tax rate reduction mitigating the elimination of the mortgage deduction. I assumed that they would just plan to abolish it and claim all of those deductions as government revenue.

Don't get me wrong. I kind of believe in the idea, if there is a corresponding reduction in tax rates. All of these itemized deductions are just the government's way of picking the winners and the losers.

Wow would you go about eliminating it, though? Is this something that you would need to phase out over the course of, say, 10 years? Assuming that most interest is paid at the front end of mortgages, this would soften the blow. Say, Year 1: 90% of mortgage interest is deductible, Year 2: 80%, etc. Would this work?

17 posted on 11/11/2010 7:17:19 AM PST by Fredgoblu
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To: ontap

“There should be a minimum income tax that everyone has to pay”

Agreed. EVERYONE needs to be part of the solution. If you live, and work, in this country you should pay SOMETHING. How many 10’s of millions of Americans pay $0 Federal income tax?


18 posted on 11/11/2010 7:34:05 AM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: irish_links

Like it or not, eliminating a deduction or credit is a tax increase! And, it’s not the mortagage deduction that leads to too much debt, any more than cars or guns cause deaths - it’s stupid people.

Now, we might have to eventually put those in the equation, but there are SO many other SPENDING cuts that must first be made before Americans are asked to contribute another penney to D.C.’s inefficiency.


19 posted on 11/11/2010 8:11:21 AM PST by jda
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“....Now, we might have to eventually put those in the equation, but there are SO many other SPENDING cuts that must first be made before Americans are asked to contribute another Penny to D.C.’s inefficiency....”

You are very naive or don't question the mantras that Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity repeat ad infinitum. Even draconian cuts in discretionary spending wouldn't impact the structural deficit much. We need draconian cuts, entitlement reform and a broader, simpler tax code. Sorry to break it to you, but that means higher federal taxes. We need to raise taxes in a way that won't negatively impact our economic competitiveness, and what Bowles and Simpson have come up with in this proposal is pretty much the best deal we can ever hope for. Listen GOP and T.P.: don't look a gift horse in the mouth. POTUS has laid this one on our laps on a silver platter. It's time to hoist him, Nanny P. and Reid on their own petards.

20 posted on 11/11/2010 8:37:33 AM PST by irish_links (: ... but only say the word and I shall be healed.)
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