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A Novel Tactic in Climate Fight Gains Some Traction
NY Times ^
| November 8, 2010
| JOHN M. BRODER
Posted on 11/09/2010 10:14:24 PM PST by neverdem
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Unless they find an alternative to halogenated carbon compounds for refrigerants, we might have to revert to ammonia. Next up, basic, aka, caustic rain? At least ammonium nitrate is a fertilizer, among other uses.
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posted on
11/09/2010 10:14:26 PM PST
by
neverdem
To: neverdem
This is called - one last try before dying.
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posted on
11/09/2010 10:16:49 PM PST
by
jd777
To: neverdem
How does rehashing the same old nonsense over and over and over again mean 'novel tactic' ???
Bring back the Freon, bring back Airwick, heck bring back that stoopit "The Dry Look" hairspray ... who cares! LOL
To: neverdem
So we’ll just twist the meanings of things until it says what we want it too. :)
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posted on
11/09/2010 10:21:56 PM PST
by
Tzimisce
(No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
To: neverdem; steelyourfaith
To: jd777
John Broder is the NY Times writer? Like the son of David Broder? Following in a “journa-LIST” father’s foot steps?
“Daddy - when I grow up can I be a leftist propaganda whore like you?” How pathetic.
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posted on
11/09/2010 10:31:24 PM PST
by
Frantzie
(Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
To: neverdem
C’mon demscum, try to shoehorn cap-and-trade into a 20 year old treaty. Go for it obama and the rest of you socialists, you fascist morons. You think the backlash over obamacare was bad in 2010? You have NO IDEA what the backlash from that will be in 2012.
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posted on
11/09/2010 10:32:29 PM PST
by
piytar
(There is evil. There is no such thing as moderate evil. Never forget.)
To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
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posted on
11/09/2010 10:34:24 PM PST
by
neverdem
(Xin loi minh oi)
To: neverdem
The treaty, the Montreal Protocol, was adopted in 1987 for a completely different purpose, to eliminate aerosols and other chemicals that were blowing a hole in the Earths protective ozone layer. It was a VOLCANO that was blowing said hole, not spray cans.
Repeat a lie often enough...
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posted on
11/09/2010 10:34:42 PM PST
by
Carry_Okie
(Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
To: neverdem
Eliminating HFCs under the Montreal Protocol is the single biggest chunk of climate protection we can get in the next few years, said Durwood Zaelke, president of the Institute for Governance and Sustainable Development, a nongovernment organization based in Washington. I take it DuPont has a new refrigerant?
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posted on
11/09/2010 10:36:31 PM PST
by
Carry_Okie
(Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
To: neverdem
"Climate FIGHT" huh? Doesn't sound at all "scientific" to me. Sounds like a bunch of commie scumbag politicians reaching into our wallets again.
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posted on
11/09/2010 10:42:45 PM PST
by
FlingWingFlyer
("In God We Trust", everyone else must show proof of citizenship.)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
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posted on
11/09/2010 11:25:30 PM PST
by
piasa
To: neverdem
Is it safe to say now that the debate is not over?
Of course it's hard to say it ever began when only one side gets any press.
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posted on
11/09/2010 11:32:06 PM PST
by
TigersEye
(Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
To: neverdem
How about banning “living, breathing” treaties for the gas that politicians emit from them?
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posted on
11/09/2010 11:56:10 PM PST
by
UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
(REPEAL OR REBEL! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
To: Carry_Okie
I take it DuPont has a new refrigerant?
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posted on
11/10/2010 12:08:16 AM PST
by
Jeff Chandler
(Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
To: neverdem
“Eliminating HFCs under the Montreal Protocol is the single biggest chunk of climate protection we can get in the next few years, said Durwood Zaelke, president of the Institute for Governance and Sustainable Development, a nongovernment organization based in Washington. “
“Eliminating enemies, both external and internal to the United States is the single biggest chunk of climate protection we can get in the next few years, said Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison Jr. etc. signatories of the US Constition, our founding document based in Washington.””
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posted on
11/10/2010 1:20:13 AM PST
by
EQAndyBuzz
(Remember March 23, 1775. Remember March 23, 2010)
To: neverdem
There is a common gas that could be used as an almost exact pressure/gas replacement for R-12.
R-12 was commonly used in refrigerators, freezers and automobile ACs.
A gas we are all familiar with.
Propane.
Of course that brings on other potential problems.
Most all the ‘new’ refrigerants are mixtures.
What that means is one component of the mixture has a different pressure/gas boiling point.
Any leak in the system requires all the refrigerant be removed, then new refrigerant added back after the leak repair.
You can’t simply add refrigerant as one component of the mixture likely leaked at a different rate than the other, changing the refrigerant percentages and capabilities of the charge.
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posted on
11/10/2010 2:53:01 AM PST
by
Vinnie
(You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
To: Carry_Okie
Spot on. Bring back Freon.
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posted on
11/10/2010 3:20:11 AM PST
by
1010RD
(First Do No Harm)
To: Vinnie
"You cant simply add refrigerant as one component of the mixture likely leaked at a different rate than the other, changing the refrigerant percentages and capabilities of the charge." Having just watched the technician work on my heat pump system, I can say that they have the necessary tools to do all that is required. A quite small portable vacuum pump extracts the old coolant into a container (to be emptied into a central collection tank "back at the shop" to be re-purified and reused), and then the new mixture is pumped (actually vented) in from pressurized cans. Even most R-12 and similar are recovered and recycled today. There is absolutely NO NEED for a "ban".
This is all about "continuing the momentum" of "banning things" in the name of environmental holiness. "Recover and recycle" is no longer "good enough" for the eco-nutcases.
To: neverdem
In DC ...every 20 years ..a bunch of bureaucrats shoot for SES promotions in to 200-250,000 thousand salary level. To “justify” their claims for promotion, a big new “initiative has to be on deck. (Remember immigration 1986, and the attempt in 2006)..Letting down the borders is the fastest way to achieve a huge bump in population and a corresponding “need” at the Federal level, for executive leadership.
Its always about the money.
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posted on
11/10/2010 4:11:56 AM PST
by
mo
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