Posted on 11/02/2010 5:11:48 AM PDT by expat_panama
How about a $2 per day for factory workers? Because that's the reason why jobs go overseas, not regulations or unions or taxes.
Exactly. Otherwise Germany, which is unionized right down to the candy store clerks and has regulation and taxes in spades, wouldn't be the world's largest exporter with a population 1/4 of the US and have lower unemployment.
They are protectionist though, even though they talk a good game on free trade for the cameras
So can internal taxes. So you must be an anarcho-capitalist I take it.
So do all the free traders I know.
I'm just trying to understand the free trader position that taxes on trade between Americans is preferable to taxes on trade between Americans and foreigners. Or one is a third option which is anarchist - no taxes on anything.
What taxes are there on trade between Americans?
The free traders I know are pragmatic people. They understand that federal income taxes aren't going away and that repealing the 16th Amendment is for the Pollyannas among us. That being so, we support free trade agreements that lower tariffs to zero. It's good for consumers and good for industry.
You can spend hours defining terms and labeling people but, at the end of the day, I'm only interested in what's going to work, and work quickly. Arguing that we should lower federal income taxes in favor of increasing tariffs might make for great classroom discussion but that's all it is.
And toddsterpatriot fires up the band for his well-worn Socratic method cum sophism/semantics dance.
Just for the record, I haven't seen anyone here argue in favor of no taxes on anything yet. You?
I think conservatives here will agree that taxes are necessary and legal. You appear to be working hard to find an argument.
Hey Toddster, looks like it's time to play Guess the retread again.
Hey TV, what was your previous screen name and why were you banned?
None and no reason. I think if you look at my posts you'll see I have a fairly unique outlook on things that would be pretty recognizable.
But when you look through someone's posts and 70% are in the form of a question, it's pretty easy to pick up on what their game is. It's not like toddsterpatriot invented the tactic.
No answer? I’m shocked!
There are winners and losers and we're arguing over who and whom.
Arguing that we should lower federal income taxes in favor of increasing tariffs might make for great classroom discussion but that's all it is.
As quickly as we've gotten to here it's in no way merely an academic debate to reverse course. The tax regime in place now isn't holy writ.
Can you not name any tax on trade between Americans? See, I can play too.
Lol, who, other than you, decreed what our real problems are? That's very much subject to debate, and it's a debate that needs to be had. Too much of the public discourse in the past has been left to those peddling these one-sided trade deals our government has been entering for half a century or more.
Good, now I just take it from the general to a specific and say that import taxes are necessary and legal. Or compromise and say no less necessary and legal than internal taxes.
Can you back it up? We'll see.
Few things over the past fifty years illustrate government intervention more than all these one-sided trade arrangements they have agreed to since the 1950s. Absolutely government intervention with a lot of one-sided trade deals and deficits as the result.
You really need to stop your single entry, one-sided accounting for the economy. Our mushrooming expense for food stamps, medicaid, EITC, unpaid medical bills, and all the government subsidy programs for low wage earners are a cost of our current economic and trade policies. Every trick available to increase the supply of labor and decrease the cost has been used. It saves nothing, but just transfers the cost to present and future taxpayers.
The policy of exporting jobs to cheap labor, and the policy of allowing employers to lure cheap, illegal alien labor to the US saves nothing. It's all paid for in the growth and existing, and creation of new (Obamacare) programs for the lowest wage earners in the US.
You and many others need to spend some time studying the growth in our government's low wage subsidy programs: EITC alone is now $60 billion per year.
Stop kidding yourself.
And today is election day, a better day for focusing on the political changes that are coming than for dragging this discussion out. It will be discussed again, and at much higher levels.
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