Posted on 10/30/2010 4:03:35 PM PDT by Rashputin
Not buying and won’t take it for free.
The Bible is not a “living, breathing document” in the twisted sense of those words today.
The “collective experience” is more like the Muslim Umma than Scripture.
Archbishop Bustros is a fully Roman Catholic archbishop. He served as the designated spokesman for a synod called by the Pope. His statement was given in Rome to describe the meaning of the official conclusion of the synod.
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Yeah, right. Another *The Catholic church doesn’t really mean what it says*
We now have to go for an interpretation of what someone wants us to believe what the Catholic church MEANT and what it said isn’t what it meant.
Sure.....
Don’t they ever get tired of this? I mean really, they’ve worn that line threadbare. Nobody is believing it any more.
You know, if the Catholic church can’t get it’s message across without some Catholic reinterpretation of the incriminating evidence, they really need to find someone more literate to do their writing so that what they say is what they mean and what they mean is what they say.
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Quix:
I used to think that DC politicians were the most glib, disingenuous, diplo-speak/double-speaking, flip/flopping, talk-out-of-all-sides sorts of bits of human garbage that existed on the planet.
The RC's on FR have taught me otherwise. The Vatican and its rabid clique type defenders hereon far outrace the DC politicians on such scores, hands down.
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metmom:
Yeah, right. Another *The Catholic church doesn’t really mean what it says*
We now have to go for an interpretation of what someone wants us to believe what the Catholic church MEANT and what it said isn’t what it meant.
Sure.....
Don’t they ever get tired of this? I mean really, they’ve worn that line threadbare. Nobody is believing it any more.
You know, if the Catholic church can’t get it’s message across without some Catholic reinterpretation of the incriminating evidence, they really need to find someone more literate to do their writing so that what they say is what they mean and what they mean is what they say.
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INDEED!
Quix:
I used to think that DC politicians were the most glib, disingenuous, diplo-speak/double-speaking, flip/flopping, talk-out-of-all-sides sorts of bits of human garbage that existed on the planet.
The RC's on FR have taught me otherwise. The Vatican and its rabid clique type defenders hereon far outrace the DC politicians on such scores, hands down.
“While that’s a widely held and lovingly nourished belief among Fundamentalists and others, it’s simply Reformation propaganda.”
I hang with a lot of folks you would probably characterize as fundamentalist. I don’t hear that belief expressed except rarely. The belief I hear most frequently is that we’re going to spend a long time in eternity with a lot of Catholics.
The concept of Free Will is that man, on his own, can turn to God. This is a complete falshood. Man flees from God until he is converted (regenerated, born again, etc). No man will turn to God, in fact, no man CAN turn to God without the express directive given by God for him to change. No man chooses God on his OWN volition, man only chooses to sin or not sin at any given point. No man pleases God by himself.
Are you asking if anything I do surprises God? I think not. Can I alter, confuse, deny, or otherwise prevent God’s will from happening? If so, I am God over God, and THAT ain’t going to happen.
Romans 1113 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness,[f] if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved,[g] as it is written:
“ The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”[h]
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all. 33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
34 “ For who has known the mind of the LORD? Or who has become His counselor?”[i] 35 “ Or who has first given to Him And it shall be repaid to him?”[j]
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
I wonder how scriptures like these are overlooked?
(Convenience?)
Regards
We are all born with excellent rationalizers.
I wish I could say the RC’s have a monopoly on such. Sadly, they are just the most !!!!TRADITIONAL!!!! and loud about it in the most heretical, blasphemous, idolatrous ways.
Lots of proddys give them a run for their money in the rationalizing dept, however.
Thankfully, at least, we have the Bible as THE STANDARD for everything worth anything.
Aside from rabbinical Jews and Dispensationalists, there is no dispute on this teaching. Those Jews and Gentiles joined to Christ are God's only chosen people.
You don't have to worry about what Darby said about anything...You need to be concerned about what God said about it...
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles be come in...
Isreal has been cut off UNTIL something happens...They have been blinded...But not forever...
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
God still has a covenant with Israel that was cut of from the roots of the tree...
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
God is not done with Israel...
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
God has called Israel to inherit the land...God will not repent from that covenant...And that covenant was never given to the church...We have no need nor interest in the land given to Israel...
You were doing fine until you stopped with “the synod.”
It was a synod of Eastern Rite Catholics, who are in communion with the Bishop of Rome but have significant autonomy. They are not part of the Latin Rite that makes up about 95% of the Catholic Church. They were speaking for themselves. They also called for changes in the way the pope is elected—not exactly “the Vatican” speaking here.
They speak for Cbristian dhimmis living under Islam. This has been pointed out on other threads.
Whenever you see “the Vatican” said this or “the Vatican” did that, run for the tall grass. It’s normally a sign the person writing it doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
The Vatican has just nullified the Bible, and elevated Replacement Theology in full public view.
I bet you can't even define "Replacement Theology" nor can you provide any evidence to support your ignorant slander. But go ahead, insult 2000 years of orthodoxy. Go ahead and call St Paul (Gal 3:28-29) and St Peter (1 Peter 2:4-9) a liar. Keep reminding the world to what heresy Premillennial Dysfunctionalism represents in its dogged attempt to chop up and divide the QAHAL MASHIACH.
I'm not Roman Catholic and her doctrines are at times at odds with the Truth, but there is no eschatological or theological need for a physical political nation of Isarel - except possibly to be the vehicle to drive the prophesized latter day Apostasy; for the so-called need of a political modern-day Israel is conjured up by the Zionists and the American Religion, both groups who do not have any understanding of the fundamental doctrines of Redemption.
Sorry Pope, sir. You need to review the Scriptures.
How about you crack open the Bible and read 1 Peter 2:4-11 and Galatians 3:26-29. Then apologize to the Pope.
Replacement theology is very dangerous stuff.
So is the Apostasy of Premillennial Dysfunctionalism in its fanatical quest to divide the Church of God.
You know, numbnuts, I'm not Geer who wrote this and I'm relieved to know the person quoted wasn't speaking for the Vatican.
Thanks for taking the time to read the posts to this point rather than just jumping in half cocked (sarc).
“cogito,cogito,ergo cogito sum” Ambrose Bierce
BTTT
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