Posted on 10/13/2010 3:04:13 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
It’s not irrelevant. The law as written did NOT protect children from losing citizenship via adoption to a foreign national. Also, it matters if Obama believed he lost his citizenship and acted as an Indonesia citizen into his adulthood, such as by attending college as a foreign national or traveling exclusively on a foreign passport. It also matters if he has lied about being a foreign national. There might have been a lot of voters who would have changed their minds about voting for a foreign national.
Great point. Obama has never proven he's a U.S. citizen by birth.
If Momma was too young and Daddy was a Brit.......
“Unless he wasn’t a US citizen by birth. “
Agreed.
“The law as written did NOT protect children from losing citizenship via adoption to a foreign national. “
Yes, it does. Anyone who says otherwise is lying or ignorant, and you cannot claim ignorance.
“Also, it matters if Obama believed he lost his citizenship and acted as an Indonesia citizen into his adulthood, such as by attending college as a foreign national or traveling exclusively on a foreign passport.”
Nope. Unless Obama swore an oath renouncing his US citizenship by birth as an adult capable of making legal decisions, he remains a US citizen. You cannot lose US citizenship by ignorance or traveling on a foreign passport.
“If Momma was too young and Daddy was a Brit.......” AND Obama was born overseas.
If born in the USA, those don’t matter.
Yup. We just don’t know.
Now IIRC did you not first getting some flack here for been celebrating on a lib site?
And then more flack when you sent congratulation to Jean (an Admin mod[?])??
Or was that somebody else???
Remember you just half my age so the pituitary gland is not producing as much HGH as it did when younger!!!
Let me get this straight:
Anti-Birthers actually believe that the freckin’(sitting) President of the United States couldn’t get his own “vault” “long form” birth certificate from Hawaii?!!
IF he so wished, he could have the whole HDOH in his office tomorrow — “long form” Birth Certificate in there hot little hands(figuratively) — and the frickin’ “vault” too!(LOL!!)
You have got to be the most gullible people on the planet!
When Stalin coined the term “useful Idiots”... he had YOU in mind.
It’s not that you have low IQs or that you are, literally, idiots... it’s just that you are so easily duped.
The “funny” thing is if you ever DO wake up to how you’ve been played you well yell and scream even more than the birthers you deride!
Unfortunately, by that time, it’s usually too late to reverse course.
You are so easily manipulated.
The Idea that Obama can’t get a hold of his original “long form” Birth Certificate (assuming there ever was one under one of his many names) is, well...
As George Orwell said:
“Some ideas are so stupid only an intellectual could believe them.”
I can understand differences of opinion as to the definition of “Natural Born Citizen,” — and other constitutional “controversies,” — but that the most powerful man in the world can’t take possession of his own “long form” Birth Certificate because “Hawaii no longer makes them available” is beyond absurd!
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Original, long form birth certificates are easily altered since they were printed before the invention of “safety paper” which makes document alteration nearly impossible.
The idiot posting above would trust the information on a Barack Obama obtained long form birth certificate!!!
Now I fully understand why Ann Coulter called birthers “cranks.” Why Glenn Beck calls the birther movment “the dumbest thing I ever heard of,” and why Karl Rove says the Tea Party movement must disassociate itself from “conspiracy nuts” like birthers.
If anyone really, truly, honestly needs to see Barack Obama’s vault copy, original, long form birth certificate, they should go to a judge and get a subpoena for that document. The best persons to be granted a subpoena are prosecuting attorneys conducting grand jury investigations to see if there is any evidence that would lead toward an indictment for election fraud.
It’s really that simple.
We don’t get business expenses. We’re paid by the hour and number of words.
(It was a joke, people.)
Sorry, but you're wrong on the first part of your claim and unlike me, you can claim ignorance. I've already spelled out the law in effect at the time Obama was born. It did NOT protect children from losing citizenship via adoption to a foreign national. The courts might intervene, but the law as written offered no specific protection from loss of citizenship this way.
You cannot lose US citizenship by ignorance or traveling on a foreign passport.
Rogers. You're not paying attention. I didn't say Obama lost his citizenship by ignorance or by traveling on a foreign passport. I said it mattered if Obama BELIEVED he lost any U.S. citizenship he might have had and because of this BELIEF, he acted as a foreign national as an adult. The court case you cited said a minor would have to ELECT to claim his or her U.S. citizenship upon reaching the age of majority. If Obama did NOT do this and ACTED as a foreign national, then he had no claim to U.S. citizenship that could be protected.
This is a stupid response, even for you. The Nordykes showed LFBCs that were certified with raised seals and included the required signatures. Obama should be able to do the same. Excuses about security paper are just that — excuses. Also, you’ve stated a falsehood. The HI DOH has not stated over and over that Obama was born in Honolulu.
This is a stupid response, even for you. The Nordykes showed LFBCs that were certified with raised seals and included the required signatures. Obama should be able to do the same. Excuses about security paper are just that — excuses. Also, you’ve stated a falsehood. The HI DOH has not stated over and over that Obama was born in Honolulu.
“For more than a year, the Department of Health has continued to receive approximately 50 e-mail inquiries a month seeking access to President Barack Obama’s birth certificate in spite of the fact that President Obama has posted a copy of the certificate on his former campaign website. Hawaii is a “closed records” state, meaning that vital records are available only to those with a direct and tangible interest as defined by statute; hence, they are not subject to disclosure under public records requests.”
http://www.scribd.com/doc/28117439/Sb2937-Testimony-Jgo-02-23-10-Late
Additionally both of Dr. Fukino’s media releases confirmed the information on Obama’s COLB and the Governor of Hawai’i Linda Lingle confirmed Obama’s birth at Kapi’olani Medical Center which is in Honolulu.
Yeah I know, you think that they are all lying and covering for Obama, so save the bandwidth.
Okay, so you think if you connect enough dots, then you can take credit for a statement that was never actually made. Also, Fukino wasn’t completely honest in her statement about vital records not being subject to disclosure under public records requests. The UIPA says that public interest OUTWEIGHS privacy. Since she doesn’t acknowledge this, her credibility is a suspect. Same goes with Gov. Lingle who claims a non-existent statement was released by Fukino that says Obama was born at Kapiolana Hospital. Why do you carry water for liars??
Now who are we going to get guidance from, a military ex. Commander and his legal mind who have done extensively research and digging into the Constitution’s (NBC) and the amendments, —OR from Mr.WKA who is twisting its meanings, also is a proponents of taking away your first amendment’s right of “Free-Speech” similar to what Juan Williams faced???
See part 13:
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/03/obama-maybe-citizen-of-united-states.html
Thank you dear, you are just such a humble person, we all need to be that way!!!
I don’t know if you have seen this before (long) but covers some of the things you have dealt with???
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/clearing-the-smoke-june10/
Okay, so you think if you connect enough dots, then you can take credit for a statement that was never actually made. Also, Fukino wasn’t completely honest in her statement about vital records not being subject to disclosure under public records requests. The UIPA says that public interest OUTWEIGHS privacy. Since she doesn’t acknowledge this, her credibility is a suspect. Same goes with Gov. Lingle who claims a non-existent statement was released by Fukino that says Obama was born at Kapiolana Hospital. Why do you carry water for liars??
Any member of the Hawai’i state legislature could convene a legislative hearing on the UIPA privacy versus HRS. 338-18 disclosure of records issue. No such legislative hearing has been held and the Attorney General of Hawai’i has not issued a clarifying ruling on the law.
I quote directly from Section 92F-2 of the Uniform Information Practices Act, point 5: “Balance the individual privacy interest and the public access interest, allowing access UNLESS (emphasis, mine) it would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.”
Officials of the state of Hawai’i have obviously determined that release would indeed constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy and it is the responsibility of those who feel differently to file suit to have that decision on the part of Hawai’i officials overturned.
You need to set a better example of saving bandwidth by not repeating obvious falsehoods, and going overkill on debunked talking points. And you missed this in the UIPA:
§92F-14 Significant privacy interest; examples. (a) Disclosure of a government record shall not constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy if the public interest in disclosure outweighs the privacy interests of the individual.
You need to set a better example of saving bandwidth by not repeating obvious falsehoods, and going overkill on debunked talking points. And you missed this in the UIPA:
§92F-14 Significant privacy interest; examples. (a) Disclosure of a government record shall not constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy if the public interest in disclosure outweighs the privacy interests of the individual.
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I think you missed the theme of my post, "professor."
HINT: It's in the first paragraph, as follows:
"Let me get this straight:
"Anti-Birthers actually believe that the freckin’(sitting) President of the United States couldn’t get his own “vault” “long form” birth certificate from Hawaii?!!"
The whole point is that anti-birthers are gullible and naive -- and YOU certainly were, weren't you?
Almost every paragraph drives that point home.
At the end I wrap it all up, as follows:
"I can understand differences of opinion as to the definition of “Natural Born Citizen,” — and other constitutional “controversies,” — but that the most powerful man in the world can’t take possession of his own “long form” Birth Certificate because “Hawaii no longer makes them available” is beyond absurd!"
Of course "WE" all now KNOW -- because of Danae -- that ANYONE can get their "long form" Birth Certificate.
Now please tell us why we should "go to a judge and get a subpoena" when it's so much more fun to watch the HUSTLER -- and his marry band of fools -- play, hide the long form!
Have a nice day, "professor"!
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