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Pot penalties reduced in California
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | OCTOBER 1, 2010 | MATTHEW T. HALL AND HAILEY PERSINGER

Posted on 10/02/2010 1:31:18 AM PDT by South40

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To: imfleck

No, I’m pretty sure I know what I’m talking about here.
You really have no idea of my experience in the matter, so it is futile to belabor this point.

But anyways, who says it’s a grower or distributor lacing it?
It passes through a lot of hands and often, it winds up in the hands of a sketchy street dealer... guys who are lacing their own stuff cause that’s what they’re into.

And also, dealers certainly cut hard drugs with all kinds of stuff.


61 posted on 10/02/2010 5:51:14 AM PDT by counterpunch (End the Government Monopoly!)
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To: counterpunch
It passes through a lot of hands and often, it winds up in the hands of a sketchy street dealer...

Oh, I feel so much safer now knowing it will pass through the hands of the Obamacare people even though I don't do it...

62 posted on 10/02/2010 5:55:36 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Doe Eyes

Your just wrong about this.
Just like you can buy a cheap fast food burger for a buck, but dinner at Ruth Chris is still going to set you back at least $100.

You think people who do cocaine are going to switch to pot if the prices are more reasonable? That is ridiculous on it’s face. By that logic, Hyundai would have put BMW out of business a long time ago.


63 posted on 10/02/2010 5:59:25 AM PDT by counterpunch (End the Government Monopoly!)
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To: imfleck

California has made pot an infraction.
But like MA, it is still illegal and punishable by a small fine.

But we are talking Proposition 19, on the November ballot, which proposes to make pot 100% legal, regulated, and taxed, just like cigarettes or alcohol.

That is significantly different than the current CA or MA law.


64 posted on 10/02/2010 6:02:46 AM PDT by counterpunch (End the Government Monopoly!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

In many states, you can only buy alcohol from the “state store.”
Washington state is one of them.


65 posted on 10/02/2010 6:04:58 AM PDT by counterpunch (End the Government Monopoly!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Fortunately, I don’t see too many strung psychotics who have been abusing tomatoes and cucumbers in the psych ER. I cannot say the same thing for marijuana, which I have seen used as a tool to ruin more than a few lives.

It’s not nearly as benign as some make it out to be, particularly when used at a young age.


66 posted on 10/02/2010 6:06:13 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: counterpunch
In many states, you can only buy alcohol from the “state store.” Washington state is one of them.

Yes, more communism and state control...

67 posted on 10/02/2010 6:10:35 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: CaspersGh0sts
Fortunately, I don’t see too many strung psychotics who have been abusing tomatoes and cucumbers in the psych ER. I cannot say the same thing for marijuana, which I have seen used as a tool to ruin more than a few lives.

Don't worry, Obamacare will pay for it all with more government control.


It’s not nearly as benign as some make it out to be, particularly when used at a young age.

I think alcohol is worse.

68 posted on 10/02/2010 6:13:39 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: counterpunch
Under Prop 19, there would be a massive regulatory beauracracry, taxation, licensing, etc.

That is so much easier for the lazy, lying government scums than enforcing the border integrity of the United States isn't it???

If people are so worried about the drug cartels coming here, why not just fix the border problem???

69 posted on 10/02/2010 6:21:47 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: counterpunch
Under Prop 19, there would be a massive regulatory beauracracry, taxation, licensing, etc.

That is so much easier for the lazy, lying government scums than enforcing the border integrity of the United States isn't it???

If people are so worried about the drug cartels coming here, why not just fix the border problem???

AND...

How is it that illegals are supposedly coming here for jobs with unemployment as high as it is?

70 posted on 10/02/2010 6:25:52 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: counterpunch

Either all of it should be made legal or none of it. Legalizing one drug over another is a half-measure. Legalize all of it but that’s hardly likely. Standing in the way is a mountain of idiotic, hypocritical Victorian-esque morality.


71 posted on 10/02/2010 7:23:45 AM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: mainsail that

Not for long meth sales to increase.


72 posted on 10/02/2010 8:34:00 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Doe Eyes

I’m not sure how those factors determine job safety, but, I would actually agree with you.

The reason I make the point, is that while someone is working for me, I am legally responsible for the safety of that person, those around them, and damages that they may incur.

With that in mind, I do my best to hire non-users and those who don’t show signs of heavy drinking. This may sound unfair to you, but until our legal system is changed from nannyism, it is a fact. Until the lawyers hold individuals responsible, instead of business owners, then this is the way it must be.

But, I agree with you, I should have the right to not hire whoever I damn well feel I shouldn’t hire. Let the market decide. Heck if Muslims make the best butchers in the world, then they should have no trouble getting a job. But, if for some reason, they refuse to handle... say pork... that should be reason enough to not hire them. Sadly, that sort of logic doesn’t apply in this country.

It is even to the point that Church’s are being forced to hire atheists and the like. Any business should be able to hire whoever they want, and dismiss whoever they want (so long as they are legally able to work). Good hiring and firing practices will help or hinder success, and maybe make America more productive.


73 posted on 10/02/2010 9:54:00 AM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: counterpunch
Part of me supports this argument. But then I also had the thought that you know, if you make pot unprofitable then the gangs and drug runners will drop it in favor of drugs that may be more dangerous to deal in, but still turn a profit, like cocaine,

The cartels already deal in more dangerous drugs like cocaine and meth, so I don't think you can argue that they will drop pot in favor of them. There is simply not a supply shortage of other illegal drugs. Anyone who wants them can get them now at a reasonable price.

and we'll see a spike in hard drugs and the crime and violence that comes with them.

Why would there be any increase in their usage? The cartels supply products that are in demand. They don't create the demand itself. How are they going to get more people to use coke or meth, for example?

74 posted on 10/02/2010 11:12:05 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: CaspersGh0sts
“Californians are about to vote on Proposition 19 which, if passed, would legalize marijuana use.”

At the state level. Federally it’s still very much illegal.

Thanks. But I know a California proposition cannot change federal law.

75 posted on 10/02/2010 12:13:07 PM PDT by South40 (Filled with hatred for those who disagree, democrats are the most intolerant bigots on earth)
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To: Ken H

Cartels don’t deal with meth.
Tweakers with bathtubs full of cough medicine and Drain-o deal with meth.


76 posted on 10/02/2010 2:00:47 PM PDT by counterpunch (End the Government Monopoly!)
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To: counterpunch
Cartels don't deal with meth.

Where are you getting that? They sure as hell do traffic in meth!

And the cartels still have the same dilemma - how can they increase demand if supply is already being met?

77 posted on 10/02/2010 2:36:49 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Macro-economics.
It’s called Price Elasticity of Demand.


78 posted on 10/02/2010 2:56:44 PM PDT by counterpunch (End the Government Monopoly!)
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To: Ken H

Meth is not imported. It is locally produced, usually in bathrooms and basements.


79 posted on 10/02/2010 3:02:24 PM PDT by counterpunch (End the Government Monopoly!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Pot is sometimes laced. Usually PCP or something similar when it is.

Nonsense...

I have never smoked marijuana. I'm no alter boy, it's just that with respiratory problems I could never smoke anything even tobacco. But I have brothers and friends who do and have done so since the 70s. I saw this post and asked them if they have ever heard of pot being "laced" with anything. They mentioned Thai stick and they also explained to me what Thai stick is. They also said they have smoked mint leaves laced with PCP but have never heard of pot being laced with anything, and this from people who have used marijuana for the past 30-40 years.

I believe them.

80 posted on 10/02/2010 7:20:26 PM PDT by South40 (Filled with hatred for those who disagree, democrats are the most intolerant bigots on earth)
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