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Abolish Public Schools (Applause!!! The Author Is Right On)
Townhall.com ^ | September 29, 2010 | Terry Jeffrey

Posted on 09/29/2010 10:28:26 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: TalonDJ
Stop right there and go study up on the Marxist roots of public schools.

Which came first, public schools or Marxism?
61 posted on 09/30/2010 11:46:44 AM PDT by adorno
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To: cumbo78

A child who is stressed or anxious can neither think nor learn. The brain’s neurons always give priority to messages conveying fear (anxiety and stress related), which is why fearful people often do stupid things — they cannot think until calmed. ‘Challenged’ to excell is not equivalent to stressed.

My kid was stressed because of a bully in a parochial school. The school’s authorities were trying to ‘save’ the bully at the expense of the other children. Eventually I had to home school and my kid, no longer having nightmares, performed outstanding work.

(My kid was taking Kung-fu lessons at the time and when he did defend himself, the parochial school officials punished him).


62 posted on 09/30/2010 2:57:47 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Kaslin

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!


63 posted on 09/30/2010 4:32:04 PM PDT by mojitojoe ("Ridicule is man's most potent weapon" Saul Alinsky... I will take Odungo's mentors advice)
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To: B4Ranch

Odungo wants them in school and away from their parents who know WHAT and WHO he is and what he has planned for our country. He is pure unadulterated evil, pure and simple and he and his government cronies need to disappear. Remember November!
A Catholic priest once said: “Give me your child and I will return to you a Catholic”.


64 posted on 09/30/2010 4:40:45 PM PDT by mojitojoe ("Ridicule is man's most potent weapon" Saul Alinsky... I will take Odungo's mentors advice)
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To: Kaslin
Agreed! I've worked in public schools, and they are social wastelands.

Sarah Palin strove to provide extra, "early funding for [public] education" (Alaska State). And where did the money come from?

TRANSCRIPT: Sarah Palin's RNC Speech
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2074322/posts

My mom and dad both worked at the elementary school in our small town. And among the many things I owe them is a simple lesson that I’ve learned, that this is America, and every woman can walk through every door of opportunity...

So I signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids’ public education even better...

This was the spirit that brought me to the governor’s office when I took on the old politics as usual in Juneau, when I stood up to the special interests, and the lobbyists, and the Big Oil companies, and the good-old boys...

When oil and gas prices went up dramatically and filled up the state treasury, I sent a large share of that revenue back where it belonged: directly to the people of Alaska. And despite fierce opposition from oil company lobbyists, who kind of liked things the way that they were, we broke their monopoly on power and resources. As governor, I insisted on competition and basic fairness to end their control of our state and return it to the people.



65 posted on 09/30/2010 4:55:08 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: Kaslin
And on that funding for public schools teachers re. my comment #65

Facts about Sarah Palin (my title)
Via Email | Unknown | [Not unknown. Here it is.] Dewie Whetsell, Alaskan Fisherman

Posted on Sun 11 Oct 2009 01:18:45 AM MST by Neil E. Wright

"2 - Now with the CBC gone, there were fewer Alaskan politicians to protect the huge, giant oil companies here. So, she constructed and enacted a new system of splitting the oil profits called "ACES". Exxon (the biggest corporation in the world) protested and Sarah told them "don't let the door hit you in the stern on your way out." They stayed, and Alaska residents went from being merely wealthy to being filthy rich. Of course the other huge international oil companies meekly fell in line. Again, give me the name of any other governor in the country that has done anything similar."


66 posted on 09/30/2010 5:02:22 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: mojitojoe

Didn’t work with me. I was agnostic for many years and now I am a Christian but refuse to be tied to any one church.


67 posted on 09/30/2010 5:14:24 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: familyop

Our 9 year-old special needs son was in a so-called “good” public school in northern VA, but come to find out, they were merely pretending that he could read. They’d literally teach him to sight read a passage and then make a display of it, showing us how he could “read” for us during the back to school nights. Trouble was, I’d hand him a totally different book and he couldn’t read it.

Well, we pulled him out and sent him to a private school at the cost of $25K per year, and he is at least now reading. However, even that private school had its shortcomings, and for $25K per year, I figured I could homeschool and do at least as good a job.

However, homeschooling is a huge committment. I can’t take off after 8 a.m. and go for coffee or morning walks. I can’t shop, can’t hang out at yoga class, and I really can’t work or pull shifts like I wish I could. I’m stuck providing education that someone else can’t provide, yet they STEAL my tax dollars, or, I end up paying even more at a private school on TOP OF the money I pay in taxes. It’s an OUTRAGE.

VOUCHERS, please — many of us out here are killing ourselves to get our kids educated. We know what our kids need — just don’t make me have to pay $25K per year to get it. What family can give up this kind of money??

Sorry — thanks for the vent.


68 posted on 09/30/2010 5:33:33 PM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: LibsRJerks

That was well said, and I agree! I’m afraid that having vouchers legislated and funded might be difficult during the years ahead, as we may be headed for austerity, and eventually, default. So it may be more about shutting down the Dept. of Education and other worthless offices.


69 posted on 09/30/2010 6:45:09 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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70 posted on 10/01/2010 5:14:33 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: MichiganConservative
I’m for abolishing government schools and the property tax.

So right! I don't know how to lobby for this locally, but I'd get behind any movement here that would disengage us from fed money and run our own business our own way.

Property tax is an abomination. You work hard, you pay off your mortgage, and the gov’t can take your home for taxes. Absolutely wrong. Property tax and death tax keep the aspiring poor downtrodden. A family should be able to work hard and improve their lot cross-generationally.

71 posted on 10/01/2010 5:44:05 AM PDT by JustSurrounded (Save the country. Reduce our government footprint.)
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To: LibsRJerks
We bite the bullet and pay for private school, too. It hurts us massively financially. And, when I can no longer manage it, I'll make a way to home school, even if it means ‘class’ starts when I get out of work. I'm happy for those whom public school works, but it wasn't right for us. I made a commitment when I had my kids, and it's my responsibility to figure out how to structure our lives to provide them what I believe they need.

Personally, I'm opposed to vouchers, as alluring as it sounds. If your private school can charge $25K now, and suddenly everybody is known to have an extra $5K from the gov’t in their pocket, how long do you think it will be before the tuition is $30K? And that aside, take government money, get government intrusion. Why go to private school if the government has a say in what it teaches and how it is run?

I'd like to see the opposite of vouchers happen ... I'd like to see those who use the public school system have to kick in for their own children's education. I understand asking the community to help pay for the education of the truly poor (although I'm not sure that is necessarily a government function), but I don't get why a retiree with no children should be forced to pay for my or my neighbor's childrens’ schooling. A great side affect of this, I bet, would be that parents would be way more attentive to what is going on in their schools.

72 posted on 10/01/2010 6:11:26 AM PDT by JustSurrounded (Save the country. Reduce our government footprint.)
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To: Dick Bachert

FACT Children who are home schooled score higher than public school children on college entrance exams.

FACT Home schooled children rarely run afoul of the law, and do not get involved with drugs.

FACT Home schooled children do better in life than public school children, and earn more money.

Public schools? Follow the money.


73 posted on 10/01/2010 8:21:30 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Kaslin
Every community in America should give all parents a voucher equal to what it now pays per-pupil for its public schools, allowing those parents to use those vouchers at any school they choose. Let the market decide if government-run schools survive.

And don't forget to include the value of the school building itself. In Arizona, we have one of the most user-friendly school choice programs in the nation, yet even here the alternatives get screwed in comparison to what the government schools get, and the teachers unions STILL act like they're being skinned.

Charter schools are privately run and receive almost as much as the government schools do per pupil-day. But the government schools get their facilities for free on day one and the charters have to supply their own out of the pupil-day money. Between that and the fact that they get somewhat less in the first place, it's not a level playing field.

74 posted on 10/01/2010 8:24:24 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: JustSurrounded; Dick Bachert; All

We pulled our daughter out of public schools when she was 11. She had complained to the teachers that there was no challenge for her, and had been villified by the school for having done so. By the time she was 16, she had finished all of her high school requirements,including 3 AP courses, and scored 780 V, and 800 M on her SATS. She entered Stanford a year later.

Public schools are anathema to everything conservatives hold dear. Children are being indoctrinated into leftist politics as early as the first grade. No thanks!


75 posted on 10/01/2010 8:40:12 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Kaslin
This was a great column until the last paragraph.

Mr. Jeffrey, in spite of his antipathy for government schools, appears to have no problem with the very same band of thieves, robbers and vandals compelling us to pay for the education of other people's offspring.

"Vouchers" would indeed break the public school monopoly, but that in itself is but a small victory in the larger war against state control of our lives, our children and our God-given rights. While some would argue it is a necessary step on the path to freeing education from the grasp of bureaucrats, a case can be made that in having government agencies certify which schools qualify for vouchers we will end up with a more centralized, more expensive and likely more unyielding bureaucracy than currently exists.

The old axiom, "He who pays the piper calls the tune," still applies even if all government schools are abolished, as long as it's tax money that is used.

76 posted on 10/01/2010 9:01:20 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: Tired of Taxes
Dittos to your comment.

I could have saved the time it took writing my own reply if I'd seen yours first.

77 posted on 10/01/2010 9:09:07 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: Kaslin

Agreed that the feds should butt out of education.

But...in a totally free market system you’re still going to have the Macy’s, the Sears, the Walmarts, and the Dollar Generals.

Could private contractors do better with less?

Does the author beleive that every public school is liberal and ever private school conservative?

Does the author actually believe that social problems in schools vanish when the students wear uniforms while attending schools with “academy” as part of their name?

What about homeschooling? Does the author really believe that homeschooling is a viable option for anyone and everyone who wants to do so? (I’m betting that everyone knows someone who should absolutley never homeschool children!)

Privatizing school won’t eliminate political influence, won’t elimnate social problems, won’t make teachers any better than they are, and won’t eliminate objectionable topics (sex ed, revisionist history, etc).

Public schools are easy targets, but nobody wants to admit that schools are normally a reflection of their community. If the community sucks, then so will the school. It is hard to find a really great community with really terrible schools.


78 posted on 10/01/2010 11:41:16 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

You don’t HAVE to send your kids to any school - but, as you just pointed out public schools are required to deal with all students and cannot refuse to take “welfare” children. If we, instead, send welfare children to your private schools then private schools would have the same problems as public schools. Your knee jerk tendency to blame public schools and public school teachers is off the mark. Try to “think outside the box.”


79 posted on 10/01/2010 2:47:47 PM PDT by onevoter
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To: edcoil
The Supreme Court has ruled gov must provide education to every child, legal or illegal which is most of the problem.

That doesn't mean, though, that any level of US government has to operate and staff the schools. The Supreme Court ruling can just as easily be met through the private sector. But the catch would be that the government would have to pay for it (meeting the 'provide' mandate).

In any case, having the private sector run schools as a 'for-profit' industry would increase the quality and decrease the cost... providing that government didn't turn it into another monopoly like how some do with cable television.

80 posted on 10/01/2010 3:07:27 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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