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Robbery suspects shot dead by east Charlotte Pizza Hut employee(NC)
charlotteobserver.com ^ | 28 September, 2010 | Ely Portillo and Steve Lyttle

Posted on 09/29/2010 4:58:01 AM PDT by marktwain

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The deliveryman showed remarkable restraint. Perhaps he picked the best chance that he had.
1 posted on 09/29/2010 4:58:04 AM PDT by marktwain
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Wallace was convicted of breaking and entering and larceny in 2006. He was fined and given three years probation. In May, he was convicted of carrying a concealed gun and given another year of probation.

The criminal ‘justice’ system has this man’s blood on their hands. Had he been in jail for the above crimes, he would be alive today...


2 posted on 09/29/2010 5:05:51 AM PDT by Paisan
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He sure did. It’s tough to put myself in the same position, but I bet I’d have drawn the moment I felt my life in danger, not minutes down the line with beating after beating.

Which is, of course, why us Pennsylvanianers need to put pressure on our reps to pass HR 40 (Stand your Ground), which only last night was guaranteed a vote next week!


3 posted on 09/29/2010 5:06:26 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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Hats off to the deliveryman for shooting these thugs. I am relieved that he did in fact have a concealed carry permit. The first reports were sketchy at best, but this actually gives his age and background.

Too bad the newspaper cannot proofread any better, there are a couple of silly errors in the story.


4 posted on 09/29/2010 5:07:00 AM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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Glock 22...40 cal. No substitute for firepower when the chips are down.

Give him a medal, job well done.


5 posted on 09/29/2010 5:10:35 AM PDT by Mouton
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Had he been in jail for the above crimes, he would be alive today...

And, most likely, he would have exited jail a bigger, stronger, more determined criminal than when he went in. People like this, willing to rob, assault and kill with little or no concern for their own fate, cannot be rehabilitated. This episode is a great example of why an armed society is a polite society. The problem is there aren't enough people with CC permits to make thugs like these two consider their own mortality when they decide to pull something like this. This delivery driver is a hero in my book.

6 posted on 09/29/2010 5:13:07 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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Good reason to never go to Pizza Hut. I just may send them a nice friendly email today and tell them I won’t be buying their pizza ever again because of their no-guns policy for employees.


7 posted on 09/29/2010 5:13:07 AM PDT by Jerrybob
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Job well done indeed, and now he will need a new job. Pizza Hut will fire him for having the gun that saved two lives.

I haven’t bought a pie from the Hut in years because of it, and will not until the publicly change the policy.


8 posted on 09/29/2010 5:15:11 AM PDT by kAcknor ("A pistol! Are you expecting trouble sir?" "No ma'am, were I expecting trouble I'd have a rifle.")
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Job well done indeed, and now he will need a new job. Pizza Hut will fire him for having the gun that saved two lives.

I haven’t bought a pie from the Hut in years because of it, and will not until they publicly change the policy.


9 posted on 09/29/2010 5:15:26 AM PDT by kAcknor ("A pistol! Are you expecting trouble sir?" "No ma'am, were I expecting trouble I'd have a rifle.")
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Sorry about the double. Minor spell error, thought I caught it.


10 posted on 09/29/2010 5:16:52 AM PDT by kAcknor ("A pistol! Are you expecting trouble sir?" "No ma'am, were I expecting trouble I'd have a rifle.")
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To: marktwain

Any employee fired for violating a companies policy prohibiting self defense should seek a class action law suit against the company. While I normally detest most “class action” suits, there is and has been an organized campaign by anti gun groups to convince businesses that they need to disarm all their employees. If you prevent me from protecting myself on your premises, then you become 100% liable to provide protection, and any failure should be actionable.


11 posted on 09/29/2010 5:18:52 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: Jerrybob

In the same boat here and will start a campaign in my local area to tell as many people as I can. Does anybody have an actual written policy statement to this effect with a Pizza Hut logo and executive signature on it?


12 posted on 09/29/2010 5:20:56 AM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio - US Senate, West FL22nd, Scott/Carroll - FL Gov/LtGov, Miller-AK US Senate)
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Had he been in jail for the above crimes, he would be alive today

Somehow for the sake of the rest of society, I think his not being alive today is the best outcome. Some people just plain need killin'.

13 posted on 09/29/2010 5:22:44 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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If you prevent me from protecting myself on your premises, then you become 100% liable to provide protection, and any failure should be actionable.

I feel the exact same way about gubmint. States and/or cities that don't allow CC or make it prohibitively difficult to obtain should be held 100% accountable to provide protection 100% of the time. If they fail and someone gets hurt or killed because they were denied the right to self defense the state or city should be held 100% liable for all loss incurred.

14 posted on 09/29/2010 5:34:45 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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reps to pass HR 40 (Stand your Ground),

I've always wondered as to why the government wants us to be victims. I have two theories:

  1. the government values its precious beloved black criminals over the hardworking taxpayers that it parasitizes. This kind of makes sense in that there is a fat government bureaucracy designed to deal with criminals (police, judges prosecuting attorneys, etc.) all of whom are highly paid, and if suddenly the peasants were able to deal with the criminals themselves, then there would not be the demand for these bureaucrats or
  2. if the government generally wants us peasants unable to defend themselves. If we're defenseless, then we can't defend against the government's organized thugs, and since all they care about is the safety of themselves, the more helpless we are the better off they are
Whatever the reason, there is an blatantly obvious double standard applied to a citizen killing an attacker defending himself and cops shooting whomever they feel like.
15 posted on 09/29/2010 5:35:22 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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I can understand (not agree with) Pizza Hut's policy on personal weapons. In out litigious society one can easily see going to the "deep pockets" of Yum Brands. However in this case we have a former LEO (if prison guards qualify) who exercised great restraint before exercising equally great gun control - "They're dead, Jim".

My prayers for he and his family as they go through a horrible time, but by every fact this was a totally justified shoot and may have saved the lives of him and his manager.

16 posted on 09/29/2010 5:40:18 AM PDT by SES1066 (If you don't vote in November, quit your bitchin!)
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I find it interesting that the manager went across the street to get a drink after closing. Doesn’t Pizza Hut serve beverages? I smell an accomplice.


17 posted on 09/29/2010 5:40:37 AM PDT by scotts8826
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....I think his not being alive today is the best outcome

Yep. The recidivism rate is pretty high for violent criminals. Jail time doesn't seem to matter to them. When they do wind up in jail they usually come out bigger, stronger and more determined criminals than when they went in. The way to curb a lot of this seems to be two fold. One would be to return to prison farms where the inmates labor 12 hours a day, six days a week. No TV, no bulking up, no time to plan and organize new crimes with other criminals. The other would be for more of society to be armed. The only person a criminal is worried about is themselves. You make punishment so harsh they will walk the straight and narrow. If not, they know full well that they are taking their very lives into their own hands. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

18 posted on 09/29/2010 5:41:33 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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I smell an accomplice.

That thought crossed my mind, too.

19 posted on 09/29/2010 5:42:16 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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I vote for both.


20 posted on 09/29/2010 5:44:04 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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